Yes. I have forgotten how much I have forgotten. Nice that what I remember is what is important. Regards DL
And be left with the statism you also hate. What is your solution as to the guiding forces we should follow if you get rid of statism and the god religions? Do try to articulate instead of copy past. Regards DL
We are not getting rid of our religious/tribal instincts. We are shifting from a supernatural belief system to a more naturalistic and human based way of thinking. More like before Christianity usurped Chrestian ideas and made them defective. Gnostic Christianity was way ahead of Christianity on this. We need and are following our tribal/fellowship/religious instincts. The religious just do not like that the moral current are killing the god religions moral reasons. Regards DL
True to a minor point, but given that we are all born wanting to rule the world, this following might interest. I have yet to proof this, but, it fits. -------- Believer or not, your epitome of desire, is to be named the Greatest I am. Religions are tribes. So are the various non-believing tribes. Tribal leaders and shaman are the ones to be emulated by all of us so that we might become better than they are and depose them. It’s like Jesus ascending and retiring God by taking the righthand judges’ seat. Jesus, in effect; deposed his father. As things should be in a hierarchical progressive species like ours. Leaders and shaman are the only ones who can claim being Greatest I am at any given point in time. Religiously speaking, we want to and are encouraged by scriptures to try to emulate whatever we think of as God. God’s best-known speaker is analogically, Greatest I am. Individually speaking, even you were born, instinctively speaking; thinking you were the fittest of your genetic line. In that sense, your ultimate raison d'être and dream, even if you can come up with some other analogy in religious terms; is you want to be known as the greatest at something, including God. Upon birth, your first thought was, I am. Your second thought was, where is the Greatest I am so that I might be his friend, and depose him with better justice? Who are the fittest you are now to compete with, to prove your fitness, is your next enlightenment. This is all of us seeking idols to emulate and depose the current icon in our chosen competitions. Jesus asks us to idolize ourselves, loosely of course, by asking us in scriptures, “have ye forgotten that ye are Gods?” I have not given up my spiritual, religious, or political efforts to be seen as the greatest at something. I am not Jesus, but I am curious. Have you given up on your religious birth rite to be a god? That would disappoint Jesus. Have you given up your genetic birth rite to be the fittest and excel in some field? That would disappoint your ancestors. They came from nature and nature demonstrably creates for the best possible end. I see it as a shame when someone stops competing to be the greatest at something. Regards DL
Indeed. Mostly the art of War, given our last 5,000 years under our War Gods. Strange that the religious forget the prior 20,000 years of relative peace, --- under Goddesses. Men are so smart. Regards DL
Modern thinking. How to kill their stupid and childish fantasy thinking, --- is my most important quest. Regards DL
citation? there are no such records in existence that jc was guilty of genocide, you must be making **** up
False, associations form around religions. Atheists have accomplished this, they are their own gods. false it was feed me mofo! time for a nap my way or the highway ytb yes trd bundy comes to mind there you go, theres the solution. Griselda Blanco From Wikipedia In this Spanish name, the first or paternal surname is Blanco and the second or maternal family name is Restrepo. Griselda Blanco Mugshot of Griselda Blanco, 1997 Born Griselda Blanco Restrepo February 15, 1943 Cartagena, Bolívar, Colombia[1] Died September 3, 2012 (aged 69) Medellín, Antioquia, Colombia Cause of death murder Nationality Colombian Other names La Dama de la Mafia (The Lady of the Mafia) The Godmother The Black Widow Net worth U.S $2 billion (2012 estimate) Criminal status Deceased Criminal charge Drug Griselda Blanco Restrepo[2] (February 15, 1943 – September 3, 2012), known as La Madrina, the Black Widow, the Cocaine Godmother and the Queen of Narco-Trafficking, was a Colombian drug lord of the Medellín Cartel and a pioneer in the Miami-based cocaine drug trade and underworld during the 1980s through the early 2000s. It has been estimated that she was responsible for up to 2,000 murders while transporting cocaine from Colombia to New York, Miami and Southern California.[3][4][5] She was shot and killed on September 3, 2012, at the age of 69.[6] At her height, Blanco was one of the richest and most dangerous women in the world, and was the most powerful drug kingpin in the world. She became the first-ever billionaire female criminal, ruling her multi-billion dollar drug trafficking empire with an iron fist, and becoming one of the deadliest women of all time.
This is the sort of discussion that I felt would have benefitted the entire thread, had it been undertaken from the start, just to lay down some primary-issue markers. Yours is a very good answer to the question I was posing to @gabmux. I also think it is very much in line with his opinion, if not necessarily a perfect representation of it. As for myself, while I have not been part of any institutional religion, or followed any specific teaching, for a LONG time now, I'd say I was only half-in, on the concept you describe. While I favor the idea of valuing our shared humanity-- which though I, honestly, have serious doubts has the capacity to replace belief in an anthropomorphic DEITY, at least during ours or our children's lifetimes (barring some consciousness-fracturing event)-- what you mean to lay out, I believe, is basically a scientific atheism, with a humanistic character & focus. Part of religion's beckon, however, is giving explanation to things that we lack the apathy required to be unconcerned with, until science gives us any definitive answer about it, if ever, beside scientific speculations; I do not see belief in an afterlife as a principle that will easily give up its ghost. Nor will people stop asking, "why am I here/what is life's purpose?" Humans in general, I submit, will not be content with a negatory response, on that score. The other main goal of religions, usually, is giving congregants an experience of INTERACTION with the Divine. As I've mentioned, earlier on, one's belief system is, in good part, based on their nature. The mistake of many who advocate atheism, is identical to the one demonstrated by religious proselytizers: expecting that because something is well-suited to one's own psychological constitution, it will serve everyone else as well. There will always be a large portion of the population who will believe in a Surreality (or supernatural phenomenon, to use your term), underpinning our objectively-perceived universe, and will wish to feel the Presence of something Greater than the unifying force of humanity. I am one of those, even if my own conception of It would probably not be recognizable to those with a conventional image of God. Even the secularistic faith of Unitarian Universalism, at least admits this possibility. Are you familiar with/have you ever participated in one of their ceremonies? In case you missed it, my post #80 goes a bit more in depth on this group. The one implicitly inconsistent reference in your post, I believe, is the praise of Gnosticism, which was certainly not atheistic, or agnostic, even; it contained a "healthy," dose of belief in things supernatural. But perhaps you were only referencing certain elements of that practice (I take it you have noticed the recently-posted, What is Gnosticism? thread which, unfortunately, is not meant as a rhetorical question by the thread's originator, but as a request for explanation). Or maybe I misjudge your vision of the ideal that, "we are shifting to(ward)." I would welcome a more fulsome covering of your ideas. Best regards, DEF
I don't know what children had to do with anything I posted. My point was, religion is fine, until they want the rest of the people to comply with their beliefs. Especially when many don't want nothing to do with those beliefs. And the religious want to make laws to comply with their beliefs. And our country says, no religion should have control over our country.
Religion has little to do with good and evil. If religion was good, why do those who are religious want to hurt so many who don't believe as they do? How many religions, say live and let live? If you don't bother me, I won't bother you. But most every religion wants to force everyone else to their religion. Their morality. That is also what I mean by gone, awry.
Democracy is simply the tyranny of the majority. The only difference between Democrats and Republicans is in the way that they wish to manipulate it. "Voting" is that magic ritual that inexplicably give some rights to a few over than of many.
No, I don't think they do. I think they want elections, they just want to manipulate them in a manner different than how Democrats want to manipulate them. Speaking for me, I'd rather not have any elections at all. No rigging of the that magic ritual would be possible.
Yes agree...the "religious"...Christian for example....seldom follow the teachings of their Jesus. Children who are put into religion by their parents will soon be confused. They will hear the Bible preaching's, but actions by their parents and the world around them will not fit.
Correct....Perhaps the same is true for Muslims. But the founder (if that is an except-able description of Jesus) of the Christian "religion" was not exactly okay with weapons.
Nobody said anything about removing religion...except you. You dropped your word abolish and used removing instead.
