What Happens to Societies as Their Muslim Populations Grow?

What Happens to Societies as Their Muslim Populations Grow?

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http://www.examiner.com/article/as-muslim-population-grows-what-can-happen-to-a-society

 

Actually, this is nothing special with societies with Muslim populations, but with all societies with any population.

Look at the history of any country where the religion makes a shift. Europe with the rise of monotheism, Central and South America with the introduction of Christianity, Asia with Buddhism, even in the US where the formation of colonies was often based upon religion. First you had the North-East, which was founded by strict Fundamentalist Christians, who even outlawed Christmas as "Papal and Pagan". Then you had Rhode Island, which was based upon religious freedom.

And the US continued to change as various sects formed and broke apart then reformed. Until in the end the "religious culture" of this country looks nothing like it did 300 years ago. In this aspect, you can compare the "Strict Theologians" in Massachusetts (who burned witches and stoned "heretics") with the fundamentalists of Islam today.

 

Q: What happens to societies as their Muslim populations grow?
A: The society becomes ruled by Muslims.

But is Muslim rule and total domination a bad thing? Islam is the world's only truly dedicated, determined and devoted religion. Muslims will stop at nothing to save infidels from hell. Muslims are actually doing the infidel a favor because unless one is of the Islamic faith, he or she cannot be save from hell. Islam teaches that infidels must be persuaded to convert to Islam or risk destruction.

It is ironic that liberals, AKA Democrats, are calling for more Muslims and pandering to them for their votes. Such pandering will, in the end, be self-defeating for Democrats. Democrats push for more and more liberalism -- gays, abortions, loose morals or no morals at all, hedonism, etc., which will be a Frankenstein for Democrats. When Sharia Law becomes the law of the United States, Democrats and their liberal, anti-religion lifestyle will be the first to suffer and feel the impact of Muslim domination. Sharia Law is extremely conservative and will not tolerate the hedonistic lifestyle of Democrats. Even American conservatives will have to become even more conservative to avoid beheading and flogging.

 

The real irony in this is how little most people really understand Islam.

You see, under real Islam (not the Fundamentalist Islam that everybody seems to automatically think of), Christians and Jews are not Infidels. All three faiths are "People of the Book", children of Abraham, and thereby guaranteed a place in Heaven.

It is only the fundamentalists who have perverted that to preclude Christians and Jews.

 

All true. However, everyone knows that it is wishful thinking to believe that fundamental (Sharia) Islam will not dominate the world. It is already happening by leaps and bounds all across the globe. Moderate Muslims as well as all infidels, are scared to death of radicalized Muslims and are bending to their will to avoid the hazards and dangers of bloody conflict and challenges.

"They made a deal with the lion so they wouldn't be eaten first." (Doroteo Arango)

 

I do not think it will.

The "modern" version of Sharia thought only really popped up in the last half century. And this is in no way Universal. In fact, we are seeing that most Muslims do not want to live in such an "Islamic Paradise". And like most extreme fundamentalist movements, it will likely burn itself out, through internal pressures from more mainstream Muslims, internal schisms, or from the actions of it's followers.

Look at the history of most other extreme religious groups (Jim Jones, Branch Davidians, etc) and the future to me looks to be one of eventual isolation and minimization.

 

Interesting article, and surprisingly suggestive for The Examiner. One issue they don't keep in mind is how vast some countries are, and how much things vary from region to region. If the Muslim population of the US continues to grow, it will effect metros such as Chicago and Washington, DC, but will have zero direct effect on people in places like rural Iowa.

 

I am sorry are you only going to look at one aspect of society....well hmmm

Let's take a look at some things.

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83% the third most populous Muslim-majority country, elected Khaleda Zia and Sheikh Hasina as prime ministers. Both are women

Egypt -- Muslim 90% while struggling because of the overthrow of a dictator, Egypt's problems are less about Islam than persecution and retaliation.

Gaza -- Muslim 98.7% this is the legacy of Hamas that uses Islam to promote a form of virulent nationalism.

Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1% the most populous Muslim-majority country, elected Megawati Sukarnoputri as president another woman.

Jordan -- Muslim 92% a poor country carved out of the Middle East by Winston Churchill, I know I felt safer on the streets of Amman than I did in Montreal.


Pakistan -- Muslim 97% he second most populous Muslim-majority country, twice (non-consecutively) elected Benazir Bhutto as prime minister in a country that was set up as a Muslim country.

Palestine -- Muslim 99%--seriously I don't thing that stat is correct. While there is a real move to purge Christian Arabs from the West Bank there still are plenty there, I have met with them, taken food with them and listened to their concerns about both the Muslim radicals and the Israeli settlers who are also radical. But my guess is that what you are calling Palestine will be a powerful country for peace and prosperity in the next century. The street may be littered with terrorist rabble, the young people want to build a life. Besides, they brew the best beer in the Middle East so that will count for something.

Syria -- Muslim 90%--currently at war with a dictator that inherited a mess from his megalomanical father. Again Nationalism as much as Islam plays a role here.

Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%--a secular country that once was the seat of the Ottoman Empire, still fighting back from the devastation it felt at the end of WW1 and now a country with one foot in Europe and one in the Muslim world. It could be the beacon for moderation in the future.

 

The main problems are quite simple.

1. The core book is incremented Allah will (Koran ) It's can't be contested or modified.
2. The said core book, the biography of the prophet and the juridiction ( Hadith ) are all confirming that Jihad is a good way to promot islam and those who died by the sword goes to paradise.
3. There is not organized united leadership, the Fathwa are issued, and the one taken in account are mostly the ones of the most renowned Cadi (islamic judge) or "savant" in the islamic countries;


When you think about CAIR representative saying

So the unconfirmed words of Yasira Jaan doesn't not values the thousand call for Jihad or domination through shariah laws.

Also, the means used :
if all not all the muslims are terrorist, all the jihadists are muslims, and most of the terrorist attack around the world are commited in the name of Islam.
While it's easy to say it but when there is no muslim minority there is no jihadist attack.

In the mean while, no other religious groups provide so much zealout for the holy war. We may start thinking about what this ideology say.

I picked a 3 translation verse so you can make sure the meaning is here.

http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/009-qmt.php#009.029

It's seems that it's quite clear. At this point, whenver you want to interpretate, the core holybook of Islam, the exact written Allah wills, exorte you to fight.
The fact that minority of muslim are peaceful are simply part of the 3 steps plans.
Check interesting info Here It's sourced and explained with islamic materials

Spoiler

II. THE CALL TO JIHAD: THREE STAGES

When we turn to Islam’s theological sources and historical writings (Qur’an, Hadith, Sira, and Tafsir), we find that there are three stages in the call to Jihad, depending on the status of Muslims in a society.

STAGE ONE—When Muslims are completely outnumbered and can’t possibly win a physical confrontation with unbelievers, they are to live in peace with non-Muslims and preach a message of tolerance. We see an example of this stage when Muhammad and his followers were a persecuted minority in Mecca. Since the Muslims were entirely outnumbered, the revelations Muhammad received during this stage (e.g. “You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion”) called for religious tolerance and proclaimed a future punishment (rather than a worldly punishment) for unbelievers.

STAGE TWO—When there are enough Muslims and resources to defend the Islamic community, Muslims are called to engage in defensive Jihad. Thus, when Muhammad had formed alliances with various groups outside Mecca and the Muslim community had become large enough to begin fighting, Muhammad received Qur’an 22:39-40:

Permission (to fight) is given to those upon whom war is made because they are oppressed, and most surely Allah is well able to assist them; Those who have been expelled from their homes without a just cause except that they say: our Lord is Allah. . . .

Although Muslims in the West often pretend that Islam only allows defensive fighting, later revelations show otherwise.

STAGE THREE—When Muslims establish a majority and achieve political power in an area, they are commanded to engage in offensive Jihad. Hence, once Mecca and Arabia were under Muhammad’s control, he received the call the fight all unbelievers. In Surah 9:29, we read:

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Notice that this verse doesn’t order Muslims to fight oppressors, but to fight those who don’t believe in Islam (including the “People of the Book”—Jews and Christians).

Not surprisingly, we find similar commands in Islam’s most trusted collections of ahadith (traditions containing Muhammad’s teachings).

Sahih al-Bukhari 6924—Muhammad said: “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: La ilaha illallah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah), and whoever said La ilaha illahllah, Allah will save his property and his life from me.”

Sahih Muslim 30—Muhammad said: “I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.”

 

Extreme religious groups such as mentioned, were mere tiny and so insignificant as to be negligible with no influence or impact on anything. Radical, Shariaist Islam, however has an enormous following and growing by the minute. If the worldwide Muslim population is close to three billion and eight percent of it are radical Muslims, then that's ... uh, well, a bunch of radical Muslims.

Also noteworthy is the fact that virtually all moderate Muslims are at least somewhat sympathetic to radical Islam whether they admit it or not.

 

When even the "moderate" Muslims can't control the violence of their brethren (more Muslims are killed by Jihadists than non-Muslims) why should you feel so sanguine?

Look at the word you used, "fundamentalists."

The ones who are the threat to all 'others' are the ones who follow the teachings of Islam most authentically.

And as long as the Koran & Hadith remain unchanged the fundamentalists will always be fighting to get the 'others' to also follow it's teachings authentically, or kill or captivate them.

You may have met and dealt with some wonderful Muslims while you were in service to our country. But didn't those fine INDIVIDUALS* all fear that because they weren't Muslim enough that their lives were lived looking over their shoulders?

*Individuals can be warm and wonderful but as a population/demographic still pose a real threat to our government and way of life, all in the pursuit of making Islam dominant over all the world's religions and abolishing man's laws everywhere.

 

Do current political trends around the world support your belief?

 

That is just as scary as any scenario I've imagined.

A bloody Islamic conflict in America like those across the globe where Muslims are encroaching upon non-Muslim territories and the non-Muslims rise up to resist in self defense while the nice Muslims just serve as support for the Jihadists.

And while on the subject of Jihad, Mushroom, do you recognize the internal strugle of Jihad refers to that struggle each believer is called upon to make to do MORE to help Islam become preeminent on Earth?

 

What you totally gloss over is the process by which those countries became Shariah ruled.

Using your rationale one might argue that if the United States had the same goal as instructed of Muslims, (to create a global caliphate and convert, captivate or kill all Muslims) and we completely conquered all those majority Muslim nations, things would be peachy.

It's the process that will cause the most suffering and one that we must prevent from happening.

Talk about irony! Mushroom, if the United States military was attempting to do what Islamic fundamentalists are actually doing, and someone pointed out that there are sweet, kind, warm and wonderful Americans who aren't trying to convert, kill or make captive every Muslim and for that reason no one should be alarmed, you'd quickly try to correct their thinking.

 

LOL! A bunch of radical Muslims is right!

My source cited 120 million. Which is about the entire US population during WWII. And, fwiw, ONLY about 15 million Americans served in uniform during the war. The point being that a fraction of the entire global Muslim population is more than enough to make the outcome of any future war against the West a toss up.

And the billions of moderate Muslims would still remain sweet and lovable and uninvolved in any conflict.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that I recently read something by an apostate who said the reason many moderate Muslims don't rise or speak up against the fundamentalists is because in their hearts they know the fundies are right and they feel guilty for shirking their religious duty.

 

I don't think you know what Shariah law is.

 

My frame of reference was from the point of view of the Ayatollah Khomeini's teachings in his Little Green Book

http://prophetofdoom.net/The_Little_Green_Book.Islam

He said that any government which had laws written by men were wrong and that only Allah's laws should prevail on Earth.

 

???

Unless you are United States citizen, and a certain type of United States citizen, no one sees the US as a peace-loving minority. No one see's the great European Powers (such as they are today) as peace-loving people. The negligible amount of Muslim's in a country does not determine it's overall foreign or domestic policy to any appreciable extent. I suppose their are better arguments for hating Muslim's abroad, but this one is just bad pseudo-science. If things get worse they'll start pouring out the Eugenics any year now...

 

I think you are missing the point.

What is pertinent here is the author has noted what happens in a society when Muslim populations grow to a certain percentage of the mainstream popuilation. In the table he notes the Muslim populations by % in various countries then he describes what typically happens in those countries because of the numbers of Muslim therein.

The reader can then understand what might happen in the US if our population of Muslims grows to those levels.

 

I think I got the point. Muslim's are bad and the more we let in the worse things get.

Garbage.

The most threatening nation in the world right now is the US. It's Muslim population has nothing to do with that.

 

When I say effecting, I mean more in the way that you can expect to see more mosques, a bigger deal being made over halal foods and more restaurants featuring the cuisines of Iran, Pakistan, Turkey and other countries where these immigrants are coming from.

 

Welcome to PF!

Great post!

 

All of those seemingly inoffensve developments take on a greater and more sinister meaning when you look at the overall goal of establshing a global caliphate.

If you don't see the overall picture or don't believe there is such a goal then these seemingly inoffensive developments won't trigger any alarm bells in your brain.

 

Wow, The 99% are afraid of the 1% (eventually in 20 plus years), that is what happens when you live you life feeding from the fear based propaganda machine, you become unrationally afraid of things. BOO!
Oh, always love it when people post propaganda and lies and have the nerve to call it fact, example:
"Also noteworthy is the fact that virtually all moderate Muslims are at least somewhat sympathetic to radical Islam whether they admit it or not."

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/25/us/civilian-military-gap-grows-as-fewer-americans-serve.html?_r=0

I guess this means you will never criticize the US military role in foreign policy again.

It's only 1% of the population.

Nothing for anyone to be afraid of. Right?