What if Jesus was a satanic agent?

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  1. Injeun

    Injeun Well-Known Member

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    It has already happened. God didn't punish the baby. He punished David and offered the childs life to the enemies of God. If you read the scripture, you'd know this. I'm not God to be second guessing or judging him as if he were a man.
     
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    Canell Well-Known Member

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    Canell Well-Known Member

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    Here is a example of Christian hypocrisy.



    First we organize apocalypses and tribulations and then whine that people are bad and immoral. And of course the usual "repent, repent, repent". Why should I repent if doom is about to happen anyway? If my repentance (changing course) wouldn't stop the Apocalypse, why should I repent?

    Why does the Christian god hate so much humanity?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I was reading from scripture friend .. so it is not I who lacks understanding of scripture. The God I am referring to says you must kill the child for the sin of the Father .. along with the Mother, brother, baby and fetus.

    and who said anything about you being the Judge ? The God named Jealous has Judged .. the question is whether or not you will follow the Judgement of this God of the Bible and punish the children for the sin of the Father - and /or relatives and/or townspeople .. with execution as commanded by God.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    because Christians chose the wrong God.
     
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    Injeun Well-Known Member

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    What God has or hasn't done in his business. What he does or doesn't do going forward is also his. I am not God's judge. He is mine.
     
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    Canell Well-Known Member

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    It will be interesting when the so called God stands in the court of Mankind. Preposterous? May be. "Do not judge and you shall not be judged", that includes God too.
     
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    What will you find him guilty of...righteousness?
     
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    Well, we'll see about that. Letting the devil exist for example.
    But if one is ready to judge, one must be ready to be judged too.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good grief --- what will you find the Ha Satan of Job Guilty of .. Following God's orders ?

    Not just letting exist but causing to exist .. and giving Lord Ha Satan his marching orders .. Crowning him Chief God over the earth.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Well, according to the e mail I got this morning you have everything bass ackwards......
    "Satan, the prince of darkness, also known as the ruler of the kingdom of the air and the father of lies — likes religion so much, that he created many false religions (counterfeits) to deceive people in order to keep them out of heaven. Satan has always wanted to be worshipped.
    All false religions have this in common: They all deny that Jesus Christ is God’s way of saving lost souls because every false religion denies that Jesus Christ is God in human form.
    “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” This statement excludes all other ways to God. The false religions recognize Jesus as a teacher, prophet and a way to God. But Jesus said He was the ONLY WAY."
    Satan is winning (demographically)!
     
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    Canell Well-Known Member

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    That's just a predicament.

    Exactly. Bloody monopolists, so non-capitalist and non-free market! ;)

    That sounds like "Become a Christian or else...!". :evil:
     
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    That's warped. The accuser of our brethren who chose to rebel against God, and had to be removed and cast down? That isn't following orders dude. He is the enemy of God and man, a liar and murderer from the beginning.
     
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    What are you saying is "Warped ? You cry out "He is the enemy of God" but can't tell us what God you are talking about -- wont tell us the name of this God.

    Ha Satan is not the Enemy of the Most High God of Job .. What God are you referring to ?
    No one said you were Judge of God .. so why are you pretending someone did ? What you were asked is what was the name of this irrational xenophobic genocidal murderous flip flopping God with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics .. who you now claim is an enemy of Satan

    can you blame Ha Satan for disliking such a God
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    And it seems Satan has more power over man than God. Is the Christian God a slacker?
     
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    Why of course. Do you remember this scene?

    You don't think that either Mr. devil or Jesus didn't know who's property were those, right? No, they both weren't stupid. They knew they belong to "the king of this world", aka Satan. Jesus could have accepted them. But He rejected them.

    So really, as creatures that inhabit "the kingdom of this world", Mr. Satan has great power and influence over us.

    Idk, may be.
     
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    Hmm .. your perception - and I would argue observation - that Satan has more power over this world is bang on target.. the conclusions and rationalizations however are off.

    The "Christian God" - whom ever that is .. we are not given a name in scripture but leave that for now .. is the one who sent "The Adversary" .. which is a title rather than a name. "Ha Satan" -- the tester of souls. This Tester of Souls is himself a God .. though subordinate to his Father .. who's will he does not exceed.

    Now Chief God on Earth .. used to be Enlil - Canaanite high God EL - God of Abraham .. God of the Patriarchs. El and Asherah have 70 Son's among which the peoples of the earth are divided .. YHWH's portion Jacob (Israel) Deut 32:8 (NET - New English Translation)

    From Moses on the Bible story is a struggle between YHWH and the other Sons of God to see who gets to be Chief God on Earth ... YHWH holds the title for a short time but then is Hammered by Ninurta .. and knocked out of the ring by Marduk- Nebo tag team .. Place where is name resides destroyed .. Dead to the Earth. Judaism adopts a new resurrected God of sorts .. different from YHWH .. a new faith modeled after Persian monotheism - the God Ahura Mazda .. the God of the anointed one of God .. Cyrus .. the Messiah.

    Now by the time we get to Jesus .. we are told in the NT that Ha Satan is now the Chief God on Earth .. having the ability to hand Jesus the whole world. Does this mean that Satan has more power than El who is now chief God in the heavens .. head of the Divine Council .. Psalm 82 (New English Translation)
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Uh, the only conclusion I had was one you agreed with and a question is not a rationalization.
    But a conclusion I have had about Christians is that they have four gods. There is the trinity, a concept no rank and file Christian can really rap their head around. There is the father, the son and the holy ghost, which are pictured as separate entities, and last but not least Satan.
     
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    a poor choice of words perhaps .. and excellent observation .. about our Good friend Sataniel - that indeed it can not be denied that this is a God .. having the "Godly Powers" to prove it .. rain fire down from the Sky ... cause humans to do his will .. all through mere force of will.

    NOW- this does not mean that the Tester of Souls .. Chief God over all the earth is greater than his Father .. EL Oliun EL Supreme .. but this Divinity is 100% made of God Stuff .. same "God Stuff" as Trinity dogma purports Jesus to have been made of .. which takes us to the Trinity .. something I am not going to delve into other than to ask the question of the identity of "The Father" in the Triad :)

    Keeping in mind that the God of Jesus the God of the Priesthood of Zedek (of which Jesus is a Member forever) .. is not YHWH
     

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