What if USA wants N.Korea to be rowdy

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  1. SovietChild

    SovietChild Active Member

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    What if USA wants N.Korea to be rowdy so they could have an army next to Chinese boarder and N.Korea is getting fooled. What is the likely hood of that?
     
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    How many rubles were you paid today?
     
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    Why are you trying to change the subject? Is it because you're trying to evade accountability?
     
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    Just tell us how many rubles, and we'll move on with the discussion. We won't tell your commissar.
     
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    Does what you want from me sound fair?
     
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    What good would having an army near China's border do the United States? It isn't like we could invade or attack them.
     
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    If we wanted to be there, we would be there. We don't need to fabricate excuses to do what we want, when we want.
     
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    Doug MacArthur found out real quick, when he tried to station the First Marine Division on the Yalu River, the border with China. Not that 99 percent of Americans know that story....It isn't taught in high school history.
     
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    Actually yes it is.
     
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    Where? How much? If so it was quickly forgotten. I talked to a South Korean gal at a party last year, she thought the Korean War was in the mid-1960s. Pretty shocking. I tried to set her straight.
     
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    You may have a point. But the problem is so many Americans are brainwashed and manipulated by their media that most of them stopped using their brain altogther.

    An interesting article. The best of all, it's factual. A little rocket boy purged all Chinese supporters within his inner circle. Executed them all. Families included.

    North Korea is an Pentagon Vassal State

    By F. William engdahl
    1 November 2016


    http://www.williamengdahl.com/englishNEO1Nov2016.php


    If it weren’t for the fact that he is absolute dictator of a country with a formidable army and nuclear missile technology, North Korean President Kim Jong Un, the 290 pound, 32 year-old ruler would be a clown figure. Unfortunately for world peace, Kim Jong Un, while he is playing games with his rockets and threats of war, is serving the long-term interests of the USA, especially the military industrial complex, the Pentagon and State Department, whose priority increasingly is to make an Asia Pivot of military power projection to contain and isolate the Peoples’ Republic of China as well as Russia...

    What is Kim Jong Un?

    Who or better said, what is Kim Jong Un? Since the death of his father in 2011 Kim Jong Un has consolidated power as absolute dictator. In December 2011 Kim became Supreme Commander of the Korean People’s Army. His earlier history has been carefully hidden. It has been verified that he attended school in Europe at Liebefeld Steinhölzli school in Köniz near Bern. Accounts say he lived in Switzerland, under a false name, from 1991 until 2000. There he reportedly developed a prodigious taste for French Bordeaux wines, Yves St Laurent cigarettes, Swiss Emmenthaler cheese and luxury Mercedes autos according to Kim Jong-il’s former personal chef, Kenji Fujimoto.

    While Kim’s extensive stay in Europe might or might not have been the opportunity for US intelligence to nurture some kind of contact, Kim’s deeds since taking control have been a godsend to the US role in disrupting Chinese as well as Russian relations with both North Korea and with South Korea as well as with Japan.

    One of Kim Jong Un’s earliest indications of a major shift in foreign policy away from Beijing came when he ordered the arrest of his uncle for treason in December, 2013. Jang Sung-taek had been vice-chairman of the National Defence Commission, second only to that of the Supreme Leader and was “key policy adviser” to the politically inexperienced Kim Jong-un on the death of Kim’s father. More importantly, Jang was well-known as China’s best friend in Pyongyang.

    As Washington moved to implement its new Asia Pivot military encirclement policies against China, removal of Beijing’s most influential friend in North Korea would be very convenient, to put it mildly.

    Kim Jong Un not only had Jang executed, Jang’s wife, Kim Kyong-hui, the only daughter of former North Korean supreme leader Kim Il-sung, the only sister of former North Korean supreme leader Kim Jong-il and the aunt of Kim Jong-un, a General in the army and Politburo member, was reportedly poisoned on orders of Kim, though no confirmation has been possible. What is known is that Kim ordered the systematic execution of all other members of Jang’s family including children and grandchildren of all close relatives. Those reportedly killed in Kim’s purge include Jang’s sister Jang Kye-sun, her husband and ambassador to Cuba, Jon Yong-jin, and Jang’s nephew and ambassador to Malaysia, Jang Yong-chol as well as the nephew’s two sons. At the time of Jang’s removal, the Kim regime announced, “the discovery and purge of the Jang group…made our party and revolutionary ranks purer …”

    Clearly, Kim Jong Un was just the kind of dictator Washington’s warhawks could “do business with.”


    In conclusion, a little rocket man is really good for business.
     
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    Half of American kids think the Civil War happened in the 1980's and we won our independence from France.

    The schools are too busy teaching "Heather Has Two Mommies". History is ignored.
     
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    What do you mean how much?

    In the American and World History that I've taught I teach that "After the landings at Inchon, the supply lines of the North Koreans were cut and American and allied forces broke out from the Pusan Perimeter. The North Korean Army was effectively destroyed as the UN forces spread across most of North Korea. U.S. led UN forces approached the Yalu River separating North Korea from China and the Chinese chose to intervene on behalf of the North Koreans. They crossed the border with roughly 300,000 troops and quickly routed the American led UN forces forcing them to retreat more than halfway down the peninsula with Seoul falling a second time to Communist forces"

    Happy?

    By the way, from a legal and technical standpoint the Korean War was going on in the mid 1960s. And the late 1960s, the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, 2000s, today.......
     
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    These constant trolling, outrageous personal attacks and attempts to derail topics messages by you are tiresome.
     
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    So much for Texas history books. I was there, I know what I'm talkin' bout......
     
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    The United States has no interest in taking over or occupying N. Korea, nor any desire to invade N.K.

    Anyone of any intelligence understands that North Korea is a slave labor province of China and Kim Jung Un is just their next regional governor of their province.
     
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    This is 2017, not 1967.
     
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    You probably do.

    N.K. invaded S.K. and the U.N. (primarily the U.S.) responded. We pushed N.K. all the way back to China. Then China poured in millions of troops and pushed the war back to the 38th parallel, where the border is today.
     
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    Thanks for the history lesson. Might not have been millions of Chinese troops, though. They surrounded about 10,000 American Marines and soldiers at Chosin reservoir, who fought their way to the east coast on a winding mountainous road, and evacuated by ship. Not sure how many Chinese it took to drive down to the 38th parallel. No amount of air strikes could hold them off. If we go to war today, the capitol of Seoul will disappear under long-range artillery shell hits. But our military industrial complex can always hope and pray for another war. There's money to be made....
     
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    I don't think so. If N.K does become a province of China, then China would kick all the leaders out of their sits.
     
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    How?
     
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    English, please. What is a sit?
     
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    How much money do you think Martin Marietta makes, every time we fire a cruise missile and have to reorder?
     
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    You tell me. From what I've read the big money is not in munitions and supplies but in major new weapons systems.
     

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