What is real Racism? Is Trump a 'actual'Racist?

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  1. MDG045

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    Today, in American Society, I feel like we use the word racist or racism so loosely, that those two words are almost useless in terms of their significance. So many people will use those words to describe someone, or that person's actions, or what they say to such an ignorant degree that it can cause nausea. It has gotten to the point where those two words, meant to describe the same concept, have become so widely thrown around carelessly that I am now writing this to try and settle once and for all what counts as racist and not racist.


    Starting out, let us look first at the dictionary definition of racist/racism. According to the Merriam Webster Dictionary, Racism is…


    1. A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
    2. A.- a doctrine or political or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles. B.-a political or social system founded on racism.
    3. Racial prejudice or discrimination.

    This is word for word, what the Merriam Webster Dictionary states the definition of racism is. Now let's take a statement that people have been saying for the past 3 years is a racist statement, but in my own opinion is not actually a racist statement. It is the statement that Donald Trump said in 2015 when he announced he was, then going to run for president. The statement he made that so many people have ignorantly said is racist is as follows...


    “When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”-Donald Trump


    Now let’s use logic for a second and see if what Donald Trump has said, in anyway applies to the definition of racism according to the dictionary. Because, in my point of view, this is not a racist statement if it doesn’t apply to any of the parts of the definition.


    Let’s first see if this statement applies to any of the definitions given. Does it apply to #1? Well no because nowhere in the statement did he say or even give a hint at all that he believes that race is the primary determinant of human traits or that one race is superior to another.Does it apply to #3? This one is the only one in which I would say that those that say this statement is racist, almost have a point. Because, Trump said his statement in such a blunt and crass way, that it almost ruined the message from a logical linguistic perspective and made it a racist statement. However, with that being said, the fact he says in his statement that not all people from mexico are like rapists, or drug dealers makes this point mute. If he had said something like, “all Mexicans are rapists, and drug dealers and etc.” then there might be a point here. But he didn’t. I would agree that the statement was at least ill-spoken and that Donald Trump does have a problem saying his words in a way that insults some people, but that is not the same as racism. Last one, Does it apply to #2? Also no because, we have already established that it doesn’t apply to #1 or #3 so that means that he has not created a political agenda that is based on racism or a political system based on racism. So all three do not apply.


    Now, if one was to paraphrase what Donald Trump said, one could change it too...


    “When Mexicans come over the border illegally, they are typically not the best people that could have come. Afterall, most of the time they are not sending people like you. Quite often they bring drugs, crime, and quite often they are rapists. Now it is true that not all of the people that come over the border are like this, but it is a problem that needs to be solved and solved now.”


    If trump, had said it like this, rather than the overly blunt and crass way that he often does say things, would there be such an uproar about this. I don’t think so. Not only is this statement that Trump made not racist is is factually true. We have a problem with people coming over the border illegally with drugs, guns, and the intent to commit crimes, (Well, that’s not including the crime of crossing the border illegally). That doesn’t mean that all the immigrants that come over into the U.S. are criminals. There are alot of hard working, and decent people that want to come into the country. But they have to do it legally!!!! I don’t understand what is so hard about this concept!!!


    Another concept that is at the core of the argument that trump makes and has made about immigration. Is that we are a sovereign nation, and the government has a duty to just one group of people. The people who are tax paying citizens of said country. We have no obligation to let anyone in technically. We as a nation do it and have done it out of a sense of charity. However, it has caused so many negative effects not only to the economy, national security, as well as culturally that it is time someone like trump came along and put a boot down and said nope. If you want to come in you have to come in legally and contribute to society you now live in.

    So please, people. If you want to accuse someone of racism. Please, actually analyze their words first and think!!!
     
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    If Trump and all that voted for him and still support him are Racists as the Democrat Candidates just said; then so are all Democrats that accuse those people of being racists.
     
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    I did not hear ALL of the Dems say that ALL Trump fans are racists.

    Do you have a link for that fantasy of yours?
     
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    Question to the OP writer, can you define what an actual racist is ?
     
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    I would assume that a racist is anyone who thinks or applies any of the definition of racism above to their ideology or in their everyday life.
     
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    The point of my post is that A. the overall general idea of what is and what isn't racist I think is wrong and B. I used the Donald Trump example because I view the way that people view the issue of Donald Trump as a perfect example of how we get it wrong.
     
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    The only kind of people I want counting my money are short
    guys that wear yarmulkes every day.
     
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    So you are assuming that Trump is a racist! .? I think that he just plays one for his base.
     
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    What dies supposed to mean?
     
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    Did you even read my post. If anything you are proving the point that I was making, which you clearly didn't read.
     
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    I get your argument. I don't know if you are responding to me or if you are responding to someone else. But I am arguing that Trump is not a racist. I am actually arguing that if you look at his language and what he has said in the past, and if you look at the dictionary definition of racism, and then use logic linguistically, you find that he has said and done nothing racist.
     

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