What is the issue with George Soros that does not also apply to big conservative donors?

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  1. robini123

    robini123 Well-Known Member

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    What is the issue with George Soros that does not also apply to big conservative donors?

    Seems to me that the offense is in his use of money and power to influence government on liberal policies. Plenty of conservative mega donors do the same for conservative policies. Seems to me that if it is allowed for one then it should be allowed for all and if it is wrong for one then it should be wrong for all, no matter party affiliation.

    Am I missing something? I hope it is not simply about a hypocritical double standard or worse, antisemitism.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you serious. Where do we even begin?

    Just one issue is getting prosecutors elected who are going to really weaponize their position. I mean sure, some prosecutorial discretion is normal, healthy, and even needed, but some of these prosecutors are almost just ignoring the spirit of the law altogether, almost taking on the role of politician and judge.
    Not sending people away who should be sent to prison, and trying to send other people to prison who should not.

    I HAVE posted a few threads about this.

    Just two of them I can quickly find, about one of them:
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...se-that-made-missouri-governor-resign.569128/
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...e-pointing-guns-at-black-lives-matter.574692/
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    delete
     
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    DEFinning Well-Known Member Donor

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    Prepare to have your hopes crushed, by the truth (which seems to have been no Gordian knot, for your mind to untie).
     
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    So cons doing it is ok but not liberals. Got it.
     
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    Seems to me to be something both sides do. Donors on both sides support tainted public officials. If it is right or wrong for one then it should be right or wrong for all. I am against it no matter who does it.
     
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    Give you a hint, it rhymes with 'Dew'.

    Some of the anti-Soros stuff is a straight lift from the 1930s. People of the same...persuasion....who support conservatives are tolerated, but disagree and you get the full Protocols of the Elders of Zion treatment. Not coincidentally there is a substantial overlap between this group and the pro-Putin/anti-Zelensky brigade. When you hear one of these people use the phrase 'Jew propaganda' its not hard to work out where this ultimately comes from.

    The same people couldn't care less about people called 'Harlan' slipping money to right wing SCOTUS. judges
     
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    Colombine Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    These days I think "Soros" is just part of the big word salad right-wingers throw around to describe anything they don't like but can't actually define. They do the same with socialist, communist, groomer etc. The shock value in those words used to be enough to cower any opponents they were once directed at but, these days, people increasingly could care less. They've been overused and have lost their effectiveness.

    I find the best response to be: Soros, blah! Socialist, blah! Communist, blah! Groomer, blah!

    That completely takes the wind out of their sails.
     
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    Soros is different then , lets says Koch family. Koch family’s wealth is 90 billion, which is limited and you can only spend so much in politics. On the other hand Soros wealth 6 billion which multiply every morning and he donate all his money to every liberal politician from Hungary to UK to USA and against all Freedom Loving People. Soros only support alien who don’t believe God Fearing, Freedom Loving are good people. Soros pay for all the liberal teachers in America who indoctrinate children, the little cute conservative children and make them Liberal, socialist who want to chop off their manhood and became LGBTQ people, who wants to use man’s bathroom. Soros buy voting machine and change vote. Soros cloned himself so he can be in every city in USA to support for all Liberal judge, school board member, liberal politician, liberal teacher, liberal parents who brainwash their children.

    Soros is bad ,bad person. you can’t compare him with God fearing, freedom loving, USA, USA, USA, MAGA donner.
     
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    Nobody questions the freedom Soros has to spend his money as he likes. He has a penchant for anti-American policies and that earns him a lot of criticism. It is what it is.
     
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    That term, "Anti-American", it seems to be rather amorphous. He probably sees himself as pro-American.
     
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    Hmm... he's a communist activist who wants to destroy the United States? Just my take..
     
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    Anti-American= those who disagree with MAGA ideology.

    Soros is full of it! That’s why I don’t like him. Soros is too WOKE. Soros think racism is bad, hating Jews is bad, hating gay people is bad. He just don’t get it. As an American we are freedom loving people, we just want Government to leave us alone so we can do whatever we want, whatever we want to say , it’s “My freedom of speech” if I want to say “ LGBTQ people are bad and go to hell”, Soros can’t stop me.
     
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    Thoroughly debunked.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :roflol:Thanks.
     
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    The difference is that Soros policies are bad, conservative policies good .
     
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    Most of Soros's critics probably think he is a Nazi because he worked for the SS.

    People change, but billionaires tend to be rather repulsive.
     
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    Soros makes his money by undermining governments. Duh.
     
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    Perhaps you need some context...
    Soros is an intellectual. And the person who emerges from his books and many articles is not an out-of-touch plutocrat, but a provocative and consistent thinker committed to pushing the world in a cosmopolitan direction in which racism, income inequality, American empire,and the alienations of contemporary capitalism would be things of the past.

    Hmm... so how do you read the "contemporary capitalism would be a thing of the past" characterization? You seem entirely unwilling to investigate your own heroes...
     
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    I'm pretty sure he's engaged in some pretty shady currency manipulation in the past, but as far as his activity in the US goes, he's really just a boogeyman for the far right to engage in virulently anti-capitalist attacks on "globalism" and spread braindead conspiracy theories.
     
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    You're right, and obviously it is allowed because it's been happening for a long time.

    Any analysis would have to be done on a case by case basis, comparing harm caused by conservative donors to harm caused by Soros and other leftist donors.

    The big trouble with the actions of Soros is that he has supported individuals and causes and groups that have subsequently used violence and caused harm to the rule of law. The several prosecutors he has put in office, for example, have caused many cities to descend into lawlessness where violent criminals are not prosecuted even as innocent victims have the hammer thrown at them. The bodega owner in NYC is one example.
     
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    He probably does. But he isn't.
     
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    He is as American as the CIA is. Red blooded, ALL THE WAY
     
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    Whenever tested the differences between the Big Government Left and Right gets fuzzy fast.

    “Politics occasionally makes strange bedfellows. Koch Industries, the conglomerate headed by the conservative Koch Brothers, is partnering with the Center for American Progress (CAP), a liberal think tank based in Washington, D.C., to form a new coalition dedicated to criminal justice reform.

    The new group, announced Thursday, will be called the Coalition for Public Safety. Aside from Koch Industries and CAP, a number of ideologically disparate groups will also take part in the effort, including the American Civil Liberties Union, the Faith and Freedom Coalition, Americans for Tax Reform, and the tea party group FreedomWorks.”
    CBS NEWS, POLITICS, An unlikely alliance forms between Koch brothers and liberal groups, BY JAKE MILLER, FEBRUARY 19, 2015 / 11:57 AM / CBS NEWS
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/koch-b...eral-groups-unite-on-criminal-justice-reform/
     
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    Freedom loving people seem to be people that think like us and have the same values, which is closer to authoritarianism than democracy. Both sides are doing all they can to force their culture on all. Freedom for my tribe while I do all I can to oppress your tribe is closer to tyranny than freedom. From my POV both republicans and democrats are turning against or have already abandoned democracy and are fighting for dominance, authoritarianism or even totalitarianism. If our Forefathers are worthy of my respect then they would throughly scold both sides for failing to live up to their vision.
     
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