What is your favorite political system and why?

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  1. Slowmoder

    Slowmoder New Member

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    What is your favorite political system and why? Also: What do you dislike from the system you live in?
    I ask this because I myself am currently developing a few new political systems, because the political system I live in, which is only by name a Democracy and in fact a Plutocracy, like many over western countries. You can buy yourself out of every crime if you have enough money and our political leaders dont really care about the people of their country and it is well known that they are nearly all corrupt. Despite that fact, always the same political parties are beeing elected that have been proven to be absolutly incompetent, dishonest and selfish.
    I am simply sick and tired of that fact, so instead of hangig myself I decided to make that bold move and create a few new political systems myself.
    Eventhough I am busy with that task I decided to listen to various international communities, inlcuding this one, to what they think of their own political systems and what their favorite systems are in order to improve my work.
    I hope you will answer them honest and thorough so i can include your opinions in my work on new political systems.
     
  2. HailVictory

    HailVictory Banned at Members Request

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    Ok people hate me for it but fascism. Why? well there is such a huge debate over right or left, authorative or not, and fascism is actually more a mix of it all. It takes the right, combines it with the best stuff of the left, and then enforces it. That's how things should be run. You know, if you are thinking about alternative political parties, join my group, i wanted to try this out too. I think that the politics of the Nazis were perfect, the only problem was the Holocaust. If we eliminate that, then we're great. I mean you can't deny the guys that invented the first digital computer, founded Volkswagen, and made the sex doll.
     
  3. Korben

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    Hmmm..... rubs beard.....

    A minimalist federalist republic much like what the founders of the United States envisioned. That is prior to the adoption of the 16th, 17th, 22nd, and maybe 12th amendments.

    However:

    No federal taxation or federal public elections. All taxes due to the federal government are owed by the states and proportioned by representation.

    The President is selected by state electors(state senators, congressmen, and governors) from a pool of current state governors.

    No term limits.

    Federal representatives(congressman and senators) are employees of the States and the States decide how they are chosen, paid. etc.

    A supreme court made up of the chief justice of each states supreme court.

    A large organized volunteer militia to supplement a small professional army.

    Think that's a good start.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What I dislike about our political system is that its a monopoly for the two major parties. Both are bought and paid for by huge money donors, corporations, special interests, wall street firms, lobbyist, etc. They write the election laws as a mutual protection act. They offer us candidate where one chooses the lesser of two evils or the least worst candidate. Both parties are business as usual parties.
     
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    I like the democratic republican system we have in place here in the US. I guess one of my problems would be how our party system functions though. We have a two-party duoply here and it's halting progress. So my ideal system would probably look more parliamentarian in nature, where you have many different parties within the governing body, having to form coalitions to push their ideas. I feel like this will give the American people better representation.
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It would stop the shifts from extreme left to right and back to left. Most Americans are somewhere in the middle between the two parties. A surprising many of those in the middle are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. They do not like the social agenda of the Republicans and do not like the tax and spend attitude of Democrats. They realize just throwing money at a problem is not going to fix it.

    But I would say if we could get a viable third party, one that could win 10-20 seats in the House and a couple of senate seats, one that is neither far left or right. Compromising to win their votes on legislation would have to take place. I know we have two so called independents in the senate, but they aligned and support the democratic party line and agenda and are not true independents. Independents in name only, Democratic party loyalist in all other ways.
     
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    This two party duopoly is why I said prior to the adoption of some amendments.

    Prior to the 12th amendment often an agreement had to be made for president as no one man could get a majority without it. This is because there was more then 2 running, as the second runner up became vice president.

    Prior to the 17th amendment the people did not vote for senators, they were selected by the state legislature. This would have left the big money, big party elections out of the senate races.

    Prior to the 24th amendment the people did not vote for president, the electoral college did, "a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector" I'm not a fan of the electoral college idea however the people voting along with the others s what has created this monstrosity of the parties and huge big money elections. I think state legislatures should choose from among state governors.
     
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    I think that the US will be doing just fine, once we succeed in killing off about 100 million of the right people.
     
  9. Slowmoder

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    I am deeply sorry, but this thread wasnt created for announcing genocides. It was created to show which political systems you like and why.
    Btw. Honest thanks to everyone who gave me an honest answer to my questions so far.
     
  10. Oxymoron

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    Benevolent Dictator,
     
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    I like the 3 branches of government: legislature, executive, and judiciary, but I don't think democratic processes lead to the best outcomes. The people may know what they want for themselves, but they cannot be expected to understand society or policies or approach things scientifically. To make the best policies, you need the smartest people, not the most popular people. So there should be an exam or several exams for choosing the most intelligent and knowledgeable people to comprise a governing body. There would need to be a constitution to set the rules - to make them at least listen to the people, to guard against corruption/bribes, and to prevent them from benefiting from the decisions they make. Once somebody figures out the details, and people in general come to realize that democracy isn't optimal, this will likely be the dominant government form in the future because it the most logical one for making the best decisions.
     
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    I am very much a fan of a scientific autocracy, laced in with some social democracy.

    Simply put, advancing science is our best recourse to saving ourselves. Businesses have a tendency to stagnate rather than innovate, so creating a system where businesses are forced to innovate in order to survive, and where scientific endeavours are poised not only to help us understand the universe that we live in, but to also make our lives easier, I think is the best system. Whilst I do believe in freedom and all that jazz, I don't think we should have the freedom to be stupid or have opinions on facts. The people who study this world should be at the forefront of determining what we need to do to ensure that we continue. Education systems need to be revolutionised, the way in which we work needs to change and stagnation needs to be eliminated.
     
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    I agree with oxymoron, as long a I am the dictator, and I'll try to be benevolent but watch it.
     
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    Constitutional Monarchy. If Germany would have kept the British-style monarchy having been founded in 1871, there would have been no Hitler. Instead at the end of WWI the Germans bent to President Wilson's claim "not to negotiate with an aristocrate" (although he was allied to an aristocracy - the British Empire) and replaced the emperor by a mighty President in the new (Weimar) constitution. The president was the mightiest position in the Weimar Republic, the chancellor was the weakest. Presidents were allowed to appoint and to dismiss chancellors together with their governments and even to send home Parliament (in preparation for new elections). In addition the President was allowed to rule by "special decrees" in cases, the Parliament could not agree upon a subject and to abrogate basic freedoms and civil rights in situations of "national emergencies" That was quite exactly the role, the emperor had according to the prior German constitution. Because the 2 German presidents had appointed and dismissed 26 chancellors in the 14 years of Weimar Republic, nobody regarded No. 27, Adolf Hitler, to be a threat to anyone or anything. When President Hindenburg suddenly died, Adolf Hitler according to Article 51 of the constitution became chancellor and President in one. President with the power to dismiss the Parliament, to rule with "special decrees" and to suspend basic civil rights. That left nobody to dismiss himself. That made him the dictator he was. Having an emperor in that position, which according to the 1871 constitution "only the King of Prussia" could become, some Austrian WWI veteran wouldn't have come so far. Because the flaw in the Weimar constitution was written into it by a member of a party being in today's German government, that part of German history heavily was rewritten.
     
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    Political systems tend to go hand in hand with their economic and national cultural values; only a republican (little 'r') style government can work across different types and mixes of those, being the most flexible. The only 'radical' political economy opinion I personally have is Henry George's system, updated for modern technology and foreign policy realities. It also requires a strong moral and nationalist cultural component, automatically making it a hated and reviled sort of system among most Americans these days, and it will never be popular, so I don't waste much time stumping for it. I tend toward slightly left of center populism in real life, favoring policies that benefit working class and small to middling size businesses.
     
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    The best political system is one that (a) prevents accumulation of power in a single person/small group, while at the same allows for sufficient authority for the system to be able to make important decisions in a timely manner; (b) is built to make sure the overall support and consent of the majority exists and when that support is weakening, it has means within the system to reform and win back such support. Without that support, no system is stable enough or strong enough to be able to stand up to its foes; and (c) encourages decision-making that reflects the interests of the majority without reducing such decision-making to finding simply the preferences of a majority who are least informed and most susceptible to being led astray on every issue.

    To achieve what I have in mind, you need a meritocracy that is at the same time responsive and accountable to the people. A meritocracy requires having institutions that are explicitly designed to train, empower and entrust such "philosopher-kings" to guide the system and its decisions at crucial check points. Being responsive and accountable means that power of these philosopher kings must be balanced against the power given to representative institutions.

    If I see genuine interest in this subject here, I will develop these ideas into the framework I believe lays out the best political system, not just for my country, but for others.
     
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    I like National Socialism. I didn't when I was young and I wouldn't have at the time but now days I reckon it'd be just the ticket. :woot:
     
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    That would be really great.

    Btw. I am going to create a new Thread soon which will contain information about a little political system that I created.
    Just so you know that I am not completly innactive or not doing anything.
     
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    possum favors the one...

    ... where every Tuesday...

    ... is free balogna sammich day.
     
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    I am a proponent of division of power—and I do not just mean political power. Several different and completely separate government bodies should hold in their power the means of force, and the legal jurisdiction of law enforcement. This arrangement might be inherently unstable and result in conflict from time to time, but the advantage is it is a bulwark against one government body gaining complete control in the event it ever becomes tyrannical. It is important to remember that simple laws that are written down in a Constitution are no real guarantee of rights. Laws can only be enforced by those who have the power.

    So perhaps there should be a confederation of separate government units that have all agreed to accept and self-enforce the laws passed by the coalition of these units.
     
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    I'm in favor of a republic with limited franchise. Sort of a Starship Troopers Republic where you have to be a veteran or have served in some way to vote. Voters would take the vote more seriously if they had to earn it, and the people who had the gumption to earn it would probably make a better class of voter.
     
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    Lil' Mike wrote: Sort of a Starship Troopers Republic where you have to be a veteran or have served in some way to vote.

    Would that extend to having to be a veteran to own property?...

    Just wonderin'.

    Uncle Ferd wantin' to know if bein' a volunteer fireman would qualify as serving in some way?
     
  23. Lil Mike

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    Oh no, that would have nothing to do with owning property. Widespread property ownership still seems the one of the better ways to enhance a middle class.



    In the book, there were other kinds of service that qualified besides military service.
     
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    I actually respect fascists and one was 1 myself. I no longer support it finding socialism to be more effective but a benevolent fascist system isn't something I'd oppose if a nation chose to implement it. Hitler ruined it, like Stalin did communism.
     
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    Sure, but their volunteer firemen are trained to put out Supernovas from Sessile Boats :roll:
     

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