What I've been saying: Covid-19 much more dangerous than initial death toll suggests

I'm not the only one to see through the fraud.

The question is whether there are more people who know they've been duped by Fauci, or their opposites, those who follow Fauci asking no questions.

 

Well! I'm happy you're so much smarter than the rest of us, AS! long as you stay home with your Covid-19 Hoax opinion and don't try coming unmasked anywhere you're not welcome or required to wear a Mask, because that's when us Mask believers will Rain down Thunder upon you and send your asymptomatic self back home or to Jail.

 

It's not really a matter of intelligence in this time of universal deception.

It is a matter of being honest with oneself, and the good fortune to be able to overcome cognitive dissonance, the ability (however unpleasant the results) to face facts and think independently.

 

9690, member: 68681"]It's not really a matter of intelligence in this time of universal deception.
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It is a matter of being honest with oneself, and the good fortune to be able to overcome cognitive dissonance, the ability (however unpleasant the results) to face facts and think independently.[/QUOTE]


As long as you think independently Un-Masked in your own Home, but NOT! around us who don't appreciate your possibly Asymptomatic Un-Masked Self spreading the Covid-19 Virus to the rest of us who believe there is a Pandemic that is Killing Millions of people around the World. Like I've said before, if I'm in a Place that has determined that in order for People to be there, you MUST! wear a Mask and then here you come Waltzing in without a Mask breathing your Virus's all over us, I'm going to Point you out to every Karen within Shouting Distance, Yelling! that we have a Non-believer trespassing upon our Safe Place who needs to be Shamed into Leaving or else have a Bunch of Angry Women beat you into submission with their Purses.

 

Now, even more evidence is surfacing, of chronic consequences of having had a Covid-19 infection: autoantibodies.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-turns-body-against-itself-194919686.html

"The gathering research raises the worrying possibility that lingering autoantibodies might lead to autoimmune disease in some people infected with the coronavirus.

“Once these autoantibodies are induced, there is no going back,” said Akiko Iwasaki, an immunologist at Yale University. “They will be a permanent part of the person’s immune system.” (~snip)

Iwasaki’s team showed in December that severely ill patients had dramatic increases in a wide array of autoantibodies that target parts of the immune system, brain cells, connective tissue and clotting factors."

 

And now, the South African strain has been spotted in South Carolina, two cases, independent from each other, in different locations, and not related to travel, showing community spread. Great.

 

Instead of rushing to immunize people they should be conducting blood tests to see who has the antibodies in their system.

 

Not necessarily. The natural infection, let's say that it produces some very unfocused antibodies because they can be made against all sorts of viral components. Including, they can then target components similar to those in a human cell, causing auto-immune syndromes. Now, these mRNA vaccines, they are highly specific. They are tailored to only one viral protein (the S protein), and not even to the full thing but rather to a number of sites, there. So, this results in two interesting advantages. One, it is a cleaner thing... with fewer opportunities to derail into auto-immune conditions. Two, concentrating the whole antibody production into this specific target, the S protein which is the "organ" of the virus responsible for its ability to infect human cells, is actually more efficacious in terms of preventing the disease, than the more diffuse antibodies caused by the natural infection. This is why even people who have had the disease and already have antibodies against the virus, are likely to still benefit from receiving these mRNA vaccines.

In the presence of the new, more infectious, and less controllable B.1.135 South African strain that has just surfaced in the USA, we can use all the help we can get, so, vaccinating people might confer at least some protection against the B.1.135 which may not be conferred by the natural infection with the previous strain, as evidenced by some recent studies showing that plasma from convalescent patients who recovered from the previous strain, is lousy in controlling the new strain. This anticipates the issue of re-infection: someone who got sick with the currently predominant virus, getting infected again once the B.1.135 strain spreads out.

I'm much less worried about the B.1.1.7 UK strain because the vaccines do hit it hard. But this South African one is another ball game.

 

It's quite obvious that COVID is highly contagious, but it's not especially deadly. The reported death toll is not trustworthy. It should be obvious to everyone that the numbers are inflated.

Deaths which were inevitable from other causes are being repotprted as COVID deaths.

 

Sorry but that is not true, as evidenced by the "deaths by all causes" excess deaths during the pandemic period, as compared to a similar period one year earlier. This idea of inflated numbers was a campaign talking point and the election is over, it is not sustainable to insist with this. And no, we do not wrongly report deaths by other causes as Covid deaths. We report Covid deaths as Covid deaths.

This said, Covid-19 has a relatively small case-fatality rate. But it has other non-fatal consequences that are quite concerning.

 

Clearly the death toll attributed to COVID gas been inflated. Its almost as if everyone who has died in the last year of anything other than an act of violence, died from COVID.

 

This is ABSOLUTELY false. These deaths are IN ADDITION TO the usual frequency of deaths. Any other act of violence? Utter BS. Just go to the CDC website and look at the graph of deaths by all causes and you'll visually see what I'm talking about. But I choose not to discuss this issue further with you; I find it highly irritating that some people still believe in the BS you are spouting. I'm sick and tired of this blatant piece of misinformation, and I've posted about it often enough to be able to refrain from posting it all over again. If you are interested in learning the truth, do an advanced search with me as an author and the keywords Death Certificate, and read my dozens of posts about it. If you are not interested in learning it, then, over and out. I won't waste my time with this garbage. Have a nice evening.

 

So, the people who are inflating the death toll are the ones you cite to verify the death toll. Ok

 

Excess deaths is not a stat that can be faked. Every single death in the United States gets a death certificate and then it is tallied in the total of deaths by all causes. It is the most reliable of all stats, given that death certificates have legal consequences. You CLEARLY don't know the system; you don't have a clue, and you don't know what you are talking about, and that's why I won't continue this discussion with you. Good night. (Say whatever you want, there will be no further answer from me on this topic; you can have the last word; I couldn't care less).

 

It certainly is a stat which can be faked or manipulated. Dying from kidney failure, a form of cancer or heart disease while having COVID isn't necessarily dying from COVID. If you want to get angry and take your ball and go home, no skin off my nose.

 

Sigh... contrary to my health-preserving attempt (this kind of stupidity does get me angry) I will reply again, because you do have a point that I shouldn't just be angry, take my ball, and go home; it's not fair to you. So I'll do my best to explain.

No, like I said, you are demonstrating that you have no clue. What can't be fake is the DEATHS BY ALL CAUSES stat. It correlates directly with death certificates. If you are killed by a serial killer who buries you in a secret location, your death may escape that stat for a while as you'll be merely a missing person. But if you die anywhere in the US, at home, in a nursing home, in the streets, or in hospitals, you'll necessarily have a death certificate, and your death will be reported to the CDC and will find its way into the DEATHS BY ALL CAUSES which doesn't differentiate if it's kidney failure, a form of cancer, or heart disease, with or without COVID. So, that's the MOST reliable stat ever and it can't be manipulated... you can't fake your death - either you are dead or you aren't - and if you are dead, necessarily and legally a death certificate will be issued and your death will be counted.

Now, if there is an EXCESS in the stats of Deaths by ALL causes, that is, say, if in November of 2020 there is an EXCESS of 50,000 deaths by ALL causes as compared to November of 2019, then obviously something is going on... say, could it be a pandemic that is killing thousands of people per day?

The fact that the EXCESS DEATHS in the DEATHS BY ALL CAUSES graphs EXCEED the number of deaths attributed to Covid-19 shows with NO POSSIBLE DOUBT that there is no undercounting. Why isn't it the exact same number? Because a few more people were collateral damage. Due to hospitals being overwhelmed with Covid-19, they got less attention to their other ailments.

Still, the number of Covid-19 attributed deaths would only be fake, if the EXCESS DEATHS for a similar period when ALL CAUSES are considered, were SMALLER than the number of deaths attributed to Covid-19. That's NOT the case. QED.

Now, about dying OF Covid-19 and dying WITH Covid-19: No doctor worth his weight in salt will sign a death certificate that purposely falsifies the event that caused the death. Again, since you have NO CLUE and you talk as a lay person who hasn't written thousands of death certificates like I did over my 4 decades of exercise of Medicine, you have no idea about how we differentiate cause of death and comorbidities.

Those who don't know how it's done (that is, almost 100% of people who aren't doctors) will assume that if there is some serious co-morbidity, it's a fake! The person died of that with Covid-19, and didn't die of Covid-19!

Well, no, because these go in different sections of a death certificate. Part I is the cause/mechanism of death. Part II is co-morbidity.

So, say that a patient A dies of brain metastasis of a cancer and happens to be positive for Covid-19.

His death certificate would read like this:

Part 1
Cardiopulmonary arrest secondary to herniation of the cerebral trunk secondary to mass-effect-producing brain metastasis secondary to carcinoma of the colon.
Part 2
Covid-19, Obesity.

How will the CDC tally this death, as far as cause of death? Colon cancer. The CDC will NOT count this death as a Covid-19 death, regardless of what your handlers told you when they lied to you about this topic.

Now, let's look at a death certificate of a patient B who dies of Covid-19 and happens to have colon cancer:

Part 1
Respiratory failure secondary to viral pneumonia secondary to Covid-19 (or, for a different phenotype, it could be "multiple organ failure secondary to disseminated intravascular coagulation secondary to cytokine storm secondary to Covid-19").
Part 2
Obesity, Colon Cancer

How will the CDC tally this death, as far as cause of death? Covid-19. The cause of death is the last line in Part I.

So, how do we differentiate between the various diseases someone has, to pinpoint the cause of death?

1. By looking at the clinical sequence of events that ultimately killed the person
2. By looking at whether or not the disease in question can cause the sequence of events

So, let's look at these two cases:

Patient A, Can Covid-19 cause mass-effect in the brain and the herniation of the cerebral trunk that will result in the heart stopping beating and the respiratory drive to go away? No, it can not. Covid-19 doesn't cause this herniation that killed the patient. It has nothing to do with it. So, it was merely a co-morbidity.

Patient B, can colon cancer cause viral pneumonia that results in acute respiratory failure (or a cytokine storm that causes multiple organ failure)? No, it can not. It has nothing to do with the lungs or with cytokine storms. So colon cancer in this case can not be listed as cause of death. It is a mere co-morbidity.

Are 100% of Death Certificates correctly filled this way? Probably not... some poorly trained moron (last in his graduation class from the worst medical school) or some recent graduate with little experience may screw up... so maybe some idiot here or there filled one wrongly, giving a kernel of truth to these conspiracy theorists who say we're in the business of faking and over-reporting Covid-19 deaths (for what gain, beats me; no, we don't make more money out of it!) but 99.99% of death certificates are written correctly because that's what we do, that's what we learn in Medical School and any minimally competent doctor knows how to do it right.

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Now, another related issue. Let's talk about Patient A again. So, why did he have a severe case of Covid-19 and ended up dying when the majority of Covid-19 patients don't die? Because he had co-morbidities that make Covid-19 worse. Maybe the treatment for his colon cancer made his immune system weaker. His obesity increased inflammatory markers and hindered the expansion of his lungs. But if he hadn't contracted Covid-19, would he die so fast? No. People with obesity can survive for decades. People with colon cancer won't survive for long depending on the stage but can survive a few years. Neither disease killed him. What killed him was Covid-19, even though Covid-19 was made worse by his co-morbidities.

So, what's the analogy to explain this?

Think of two guys, X and Y, walking together down a street. Suddenly, a tornado hits. Guy X is fit and muscular. Guy Y is badly obese. Down a couple of blocks there is a subway entrance. Both guys run to the subway, thinking of going downstairs which will function as a shelter against the tornado. Now, guy X who is fit, runs very fast. He makes it. He goes downstairs before the tornado hits him. Guy Y is so obese that he runs slowly. Before he can get to safety, the tornado gets him, throws him up in the air, and he falls down on his head, hits his head on the pavement, and dies.

OK, what's the cause of death? Obesity? No, it's massive head trauma in the context of a natural disaster (tornado). Obesity doesn't cause head trauma. But it was a contributing factor, because this person would have reached safety if he weren't obese. But if the tornado hadn't caused him to have head trauma, he'd be alive for another few decades (would live a shorter life than a non-obese person, likely, but wouldn't have died that day).

Guy X's death will be added to the tally of accidental deaths caused by the tornado. News will say "a tornado hit this city and killed 17 people." It won't be added to deaths by obesity.

So, in this analogy with a bad case of Covid-19 aggravated by obesity, Covid-19 is the tornado, and obesity is the contributing factor but not the cause of death. But obesity WILL be listed in the death certificate, but in part II, not in part I.

Get it?

So, people say "only 6% of people who supposedly died of Covid-19 had it as the sole diagnosis; that means it's all fake, people are dying with it rather than from it."

Not at all.

See, Covid-19 kills preferentially older adults and seniors. The vast majority of these people, consistent with 94%, have at least one co-morbidity. What US senior doesn't have at least one condition such as diabetes, hypertension, etc.? Live long enough, you'll get diseases. But did these diseases kill them? No, they died of Covid-19.

Short of a young person dying of a gunshot wound or a car crash or a drug overdose who may have no co-morbidities and a blank Part II, most people who die have lived for a while... and have accumulated some conditions. That's why Covid-19, a disease that preferentially kills the elderly, has so many death certificates with co-morbidities. But yes, they ARE Covid-19 deaths.

I hope you understand, now. If you don't, then don't accuse me of getting angry and impatient, because I did try my best and put some thought and time into it, for your sake. You're welcome.

 

I understand just fine. I'm not struggling with this.


I'm not sure why government inflating a death toll to help condone or justify this massive abuse of power is so unbelievable.

 

No, you don't, otherwise you wouldn't be mixing up deaths with Covid and deaths from Covid. You may THINK you understand, but you clearly don't (you have said that Covid-19 deaths are CLEARLY exaggerated when they CLEARLY aren't, so the inevitable conclusion is that you have no clue and you ARE struggling with this. Now that I've explained it to you, maybe you will understand, if you didn't react with TLDR.

Governments doing this, can be believable. I'm sure that China does it (just, the other way around; they were interested in hiding deaths by Covid-19). But believable or not, in this case, it just didn't happen (as demonstrated by the Deaths By All Causes massive excess death count in 2020). This stat like I said is written in stone and leaves no doubt whatsoever that the number is not inflated.

By the way, the CDC at the time was an agency directed by a Trump loyalist, personally nominated by Trump. Why in the hell would they be trying to balloon the number of deaths, when Trump desperately wanted to minimize the pandemic???

And there is no such thing as "governments" in the plural, in this. The CDC's tally of Deaths by All Causes is only done by the CDC. No other agency keeps this national stat.

Given Trump's clear intent of minimizing this, and being the CDC a federal agency under his administration, an attempt to cover up the number of deaths would be much more believable than an attempt to inflate it.

 

I agree completely, but of course there is more to the immune system than just antibodies.

 

I just wanted to say Thank you for educating a lot of us who don't really understand this Virus. You're the Smartest person on this Forum when it comes to this Pandemic and I appreciate your posts.

 

Of course there is, but those who have the antibodies in their system should be the very last to be offered the shot and they should know who they are.

 

Oh please.....

 

Well! I'm certainly not going to listen to Your DUMB! Posts, We'd all be Dead by now if you were running things.

 

I take my own advice. I'm not dead yet.

 

Famous last words.