What kind of stupid people are schools hiring

teaching shouldn't be any different than any other career, those with the best resume get the job and the best wages...

Where i live there's no guarantee a teacher will get a job on completion of their degree, even though they're unionized their wages vary according to experience and educational background....a teacher increases their chance of employment with good grades and multiple degrees...

 

Good grades in what? Their kids passing tests or their education major classes attended by the poorest students in college? Multiple degrees in what? Failing education models, or medicine? I will take a surgeon teaching Anatomy and Physiology over an Education Doctorate any day of the week and you would too for your kids.

 

A couple of things here, dont try to change the subject to "kids that cant pay". With the father that was on TV he had and was ready to put more money on his kids ticket.

Now------------------look at my screen name. I have been a technician all my life. I am coldly logical. Logic dictates it was completely stupid to throw perfectly good food in the garbage and force the kid to go hungry. IMO the b'crat that did that must have the IQ of a rutabaga. GIVE THE KID HIS LUNCH and then call the parent!!!!

 

or maybe, they did send a note home and the parent now denies it because it can't be proven he received it.

or... here's a novel approach... a parent actually manage his own finances and make sure junior has money for lunch. there are 180 days you are responsible for....

parent was a habitual offender and is upset his lack of parenting cost his son a meal and is deflecting his own shortcomings by pointing to someone else doing something stupid.

 

anyone crazy enough to teach I'd argue wouldn't pass any sort of psych test in the first place. But I'll make you a deal, when we can psych tests parents and grandparents to prevent all the pedophiles that I've had to deal with on that end.... you can psych test me, too.

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although he didn't site anything here... and left out lots of facts about the case conveniently, this story was on the forum last week. I'll try to link it if I can find it again.

 

Let me tell you how much I love watching a kid on free/reduced lunch always have $3 (more than what a full price lunch costs) for chips, candy and sodas.

 

there's an arrogance at play here...people falsely assume that what they know and do is better than what other people do...what makes you think that you can teach? Or that any professional can teach better than a qualified teacher?..that an education degree is worth less than any other?...you like most people have no inkling what teaching is about...teachers teach the curriculum that is given them, if they're given crap to teach that's what they'll teach...having a PhD in anything even medicine doesn't mean a surgeon can teach, university profs aren't teachers, from my experiences they're generally very poor teachers, why?... because they don't have teaching degrees, they instruct adults who teach themselves...kids are not adults a specialist/surgeon would be lost teaching kids because kids do not learn like adults do....each age group has different requirements, they learn differently as their brain matures...as a guideline kids should be considered completely new form of human every two yrs with different mental processes...surgeon wouldn't have the knowledge to deal with those psychological processes unless they acquired a degree in education...

 

$4 according to who? the dad? are we just taking his word for it? or was a lunch $4 and that's where that number came from.

my current district got a grant and every kid gets a free lunch this year (not sure about next year yet, but this year is taken care of) But my former district, had an alternative lunch. If a kid charged more than 3 times, he wasn't allowed to charge anymore and was given a cheese sanwhich and water until the account was brought current.

 

Teaching isn't the simple job that many people think it is, you gotta love it'll or it'll drive you crazy and if the bratty kids don't the parents will...a very under appreciated and misunderstood career...

 

Thread should be: What kind of stupid people are schools producing?

 

shhhh, don't go bringing in common sense to this.... I'm sure schools have an abundance of nuerosurgeons beating down the doors to have my job for less pay, more judging and about the same hours...




The smartest person I knew, decided to get into teaching. Her resume screamed volumes.... a professor, she had field work, a phD, ran multiple successful businesses and simply got into teaching for the noble calling of it since she didn't need the money.


she fell so flat on her face it was painful to watch. She had no class discipline, the 9th graders chewed her up and spit her out. I taught the same kids.... they weren't 'bad' kids or inner-city kids, they were average kids with average classroom issues. They took a maxi-pad, put ketchup on it and put it on her back like a kick-me sign....


she was let go before her 90 day probationary period ended (just before thanksgiving) I didn't realize that teachers had that... but it was that bad. I'm sure, however, she sat back and thought to herself "this is what's wrong with education and this is what I would do....." just like everone on this thread....

 

I coached kids sport for 25yrs first thing I learned was I knew nothing about teaching, knowing something doesnt mean you can teach it to others...especially kids...I took national coaching theory coarses that helped me immensely understanding the mental processes and behavioral issues of kids at different age levels but I was still not a teacher...if I had the teaching knowledge along with my sport knowledge I could've been a far better coach...

 

Univ Profs are much better teachers then high school teachers, not sure where you went but mine were by far.

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I have been in schools, and know many teachers. I went through an education major. There are many good teachers, but some are box of rocks dumb and you know it. Education major classes are not challenging, surely you agree with that? (Special Ed excepted, I am talking general Ed)

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=341280


there's the link on page 1

 

sure, at university levels they are better. You know, where knowledge must be there and it's not mandatory the students in those classes have to be there.

but unless they know how to manage a class, all their knowledge is useless if you have kids who are sticking kick-me signs on their backs like they did to that university professor that worked with me.


She was a great lady, great intentions, really wanted to be good. Very smart.... but as useless as titties on a male bulldog in terms of teaching highschool

 

I am not saying there aren't other factors that go into making a great teacher. But intelligence is one of them, and there is a problem with who we recruit nowadays. Our standards have dropped measurably, we used to take many of the brightest women, now, they go on to other jobs and we are increasingly getting lower performing grads. That is a shift in the workforce we have to address. We are currently pulling most from the bottom 20% of a college class that is greatly expanded. These kids wouldn't even have been in college 20 years ago.

 

that's bull I know a number of profs personally, they are not teachers...teachers work with kids they do not instruct adults, kids and adults are virtually two different species...the learning processes for an adult is not the same as for a child, children's learning processes change as they age until adulthood, as well as there are number of age related bahaviour issues teachers (and not profs)need to be cognizant of...

that you are unaware of those fundamental differences and claim to be a education major is just not believable ...that you failed to address a single point in my entire post tells me you understood none of it, it went right over your head, which leads me to conclude it's highly unlikely you ever attended any university...

 

Why do you think only the bottom of the college class can handle students?

I had professors who could handle classes, I was a senior in high school the year before. Freshman in college are stoned and drunk half the time. You obviously didnt go to an American party school. Plenty of children there.

 

All the smoke and blather aside, remember-------------------the stupid b'crat threw good food in the garbage and the kid went hungry!!!!!!!!!!! How can anyone with a shred of logic support that fool.

 

Exactly why there should be some pre-employment tool to determine if they can handle the stress without taking it out on the kids. If they can't, don't hire them. And if they pass the test(s) and find they themselves feel they can't after they see what they got into, they should quit on their own. Another consideration: Just maybe this kind of treatment may have pi**ed off some kid(s) enough to come back the next day with a gun.
Enjoy!

 

the pay is at the bottom 20% (compared to other similar degrees)

amazing how that works... huh.


in my area, compared to cost of living, two teachers can live very comfortably in a nice area... so I can't complain too much about pay.... in my area....

but travel to Orlando, where teachers get paid almost double what I get paid in the northern part of the state, they can barely survive because Orlando is expensive as heck to live due to all the theme parks, etc. Sure, it looks great to mke 68,000 a year on paper, until you realize how much property costs down there, and how much it is to rent down there....

 

the difference is paying for school, and not paying for school....


college is not treated like an entitlement and kids act different and those that can't cut the mustard in college, get weeded out, while in highschool, you are forced to deal with it.

big difference

 

they already do

http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml

46% of teachers already leave the profession in the first 5 years....

so are we to appease every crazy looking kid?

"Tonight, for homework, you must read pages 5-50 for a test tomorrow.... except for Johnny.... you look crazy, and a crazy looking kid one time, brought a gun and shot everyone.... so I can't risk holding you to a standard that pushes you beyond what you feel comfortable with. You just read what you want and I'll adjust my test for you tomorrow..... please don't kill us"