What options are there for High School dropouts?

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  1. danielpalos

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    It has to do with perception. Corporate welfare has even paid multimillion dollar bonuses, regardless of any "poor life choices".
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    There will be plenty of people to purchase the products and services but because they're deprived of any means to earn an income they will be unable to purchase the goods and services except with welfare payments.

    In the end what you state is true but we will go through a transitional phase before that would occur.

    As the ability to earn an income decreases the welfare state increases so that those deprived of income from their labor will have the financial resources to purchase basic necessities. That's what we're seeing today as the necessity for welfare assistance is increasing.

    Little by little, over time, those remaining that do have incomes will have to pay more and more in taxation to support those that can't get a job because of the decreasing reliance on human labor to provide goods and services. This will keep happening until there are only a few that own enterprises and they will have a huge tax burden because they're going to have to support all of those that AI and technology have replaced.

    The enterprises will indeed suffer as more and more people decline into poverty and rely on welfare assistance that only provides for basic necessities while the cost of the welfare state increases.

    It is for this very reason that it's in the best interests of not just the people being displaced by AI and technology but also the owners of enterprise to address this problem. It's real, it's happening today, and today's greed by the owners of enterprise is already harmful to the enterprise itself.

    I'm the first to admit that I don't have a solution to the problem but I can see the problem because it's all around us. What others need to do is to recognize the problem exists because if we don't recognize the problem then we're not going to find a solution to it. An ever increasing welfare state, generally supported by liberals as a policy to address the increasing poverty, is not the solution as it only addresses a symptom of the problem.

    The problem is real so what do we do about it is what needs to be discussed.
     
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    I believe we merely need to use Socialism to bailout Capitalism, like usual. Correcting for Laissez-faire capitalism's laziness regarding full employment of resources in the market for labor is something socialism can use some form of social ethic to bailout capitalism's, lack of such ethic for free.

    Correcting for any alleged, natural rate of unemployment under capitalism should be as easy to correct as the concept of employment at will can make it in any at-will employment State.

    The legal and physical infrastructure already exists in our republic.
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'm against corporate welfare but fail to see what that has to do with young people making poor life decisions.
     
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    Max Rockatansky Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thanks.

    Although such a possibility as you portray is possible, I doubt it will happen because those with the most to lose, the rich and the corporations, have enough advisers to spot the problem and take corrective action long before it happens.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    When? If that were the case they would already have acted but they haven't. We've not yet reached to point where the welfare state is large enough for the corporatists. It doesn't bother them that the US government is already spending over $500 billion/yr in welfare assistance. It doesn't bother them that tens of millions can afford health care and tens of thousands die every year because of a lack of health insurance. It doesn't bother them that about forty thousand households don't have enough income to pay for the food they need.

    Why should they care? The top 0.1% (1 in 1000) that own most of the wealth carry a much lower tax burden relative to income than even a minimum wage worker and as far as their concerned the welfare state is just fine and can become much worse before they're going to care about it. As far as they're concerned the bottom 95% can all be living off of government welfare because they already have more wealth than they could reasonably spend in 10 lifetimes living the most luxurious of lifestyles.

    If they cared they would have already done something about it but they won't be happy until virtually everyone is living in abject poverty.
     
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    Why would they act if there are still profits to be made?
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    They will still be making profits when 90% of Americans are living in poverty.

    It is strange that social conservatives vocally oppose the welfare state and yet advocate economic policies that create the welfare state. Can anyone explain why this is?
     
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    Did you miss the part about the wealthiest retaining their multimillion dollar bonuses while on means tested corporate welfare, even with any "poor life choices"?
     
  10. I justsayin

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    Very accurate and detailed description! Information the public needs to consider.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    Great example. And we have to add that this is a failure on the parents part as well. But they probably didn't know any better either.
     
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    If a majority of those 90% still have guns, I think a little social revolution will upset the apple cart by that time.
     
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    Parents can fail, but there are abnormal levels of parental failure such as incest and child/spousal abuse and there are normal parental failures associated with the fact there is no license or training required to be a parent. Most parental training is OJT.

    Like the Columbine killers, there is only so much parents can see and do. If a parent teaches a child to shoot in a safe and responsible manner and that child grows up to be a latter-day Charles Whitman, is it the parent's fault? Especially considering that Whitman had a brain tumor which could explain his actions.
     
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    Not understanding what bonuses have to do with poor life choices. Please explain.
     
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    I justsayin Well-Known Member

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    Not reinforcing your child stay in school is pretty bad.
     
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    Get an on-line credential...It ain't that hard.
     
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    True. Some parents don't care, but others may have just given up or are too stupid to realize their kid is skipping classes.

    One problem with our school system today is that too many parents use it as a baby-sitting service/parent and only become involved when they threaten to sue the school for some perceived wrong.

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    Like print your own HS diploma? :)

    I think, in essence, that is what some schools are doing when kids graduate HS and still can't read.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    You're not talking about a "social revolution" but instead a "violent revolution" and I would argue that this is something we need to address long before that happens.
     
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    Both are examples of bad parenting.
     
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    You should consult your "Little Red Book" for this passage by Chairman Mao: "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."

    This both explains how the communists took over China and why the Left has gun control as one of their top agenda items. The Left wants to have all the political power and guns threaten their power.
     
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    What options are there for High School dropouts?

    A life of crime, it's worked for me.
     
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    I believe this is a good application to use Socialism to bailout Capitalism, like usual. Why not solve for the inefficiency of a "natural rate of unemployment" under capitalism in a market friendly manner?
     
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    Not what I meant....I meant that one can get credentials by STUDYING on line NOT by forgery.
     
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    With a legitimate and accredited online school, yes. Without one, save your money and print it up yourself.
     
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    Those of the opposing view have no actual solutions but only more government programs when claiming any Thing but solving for a "natural rate of unemployment" under capitalism.
     

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