What really went on inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid erupted

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/inside-wuhan-lab-covid-pandemic-china-america-qhjwwwvm0

Cliff Notes: The Times has investigated the origins of Covid-19 and concluded that it was created at the Wuhan Institute of Virology with the support of the Chinese military researching bioweapons, which classified much of the research. They started using viruses from bats in southern China and covered up that it was created in their lab. The Times notes that the US government partially funded it through an NIH grant to the EcoHealth Alliance after Barack Obama put a moratorium on gain-of-function research. Contrary to Fauci's sworn statements to Congress and the American public, this was considered gain-of-function research. The funding bypassed this moratorium claiming the research was "urgent and safe."

 

Lots of us, from the beginning, noted that this was the case.

 

My suspicion is the the US gave China funds and promised expertise to harden and upgrade their labs to reduce the chances of viruses getting into the wild. China took the money, nodded "Okay, we will", then kicked the US out and stole the money.

 

My take on this is that somewhere around 2011, gain of function was essentially outlawed in the US. So, Obama et al needed a willing location to do their evil, so, just like Wuhan, Ukraine, and several other locations were identified, and the funding spread around. These were supposed to be level 4 containment labs, but... oh well. The funding was given to the NIH, and others to spread it around so to not arouse the ire of congress who the Obama folks were thwarting. Turns out Obama had an active hand in this. Surprise.

 

The fact that China banned domestic travel but let their citizens get on international airlines should tell anyone all they need to know

 

The control information like democrats on steroids!

 

This is how I caught it on January of 2021, on an airplane when 12 Chinese tourists in masks sat in front of me.

 

All of whom were Daughters of the Insidious Dr Fu Manchu
You could have saved us all from the Great Pandemic but you just had to find out it was all really slanted

 

Given that the US operated or controlled several dozen biolabs in Ukraine, I can't help but wonder if some of those labs had Covid related work assigned to them...

 

It's a reasonable question to ask. More, why do we suppose that the US is engaging so hard in the Ukraine? "Hate Putin" can only get you so much funding. I wonder why we are spending so much money in the Ukraine. It doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

Heard it came from a Lab in Winnipeg Canada -- heard Ukraine ... but doesn't matter which Lab it came from Lads - There were some 20 Nations doing GOF research at one of 2 labs on the planet authorized to conduct such experimentation .. one of which was in Wuhan ... and to digress - while I like Trump a whole lot better than Biden .. his "China Virus" trope was not his best moment .. political pandering .. nothing new in Politics that one.

back to Wuhan -- 20 nations ..making viruses found in other animals infections to humans. In the US we banned this .. so had to do a work around to do this research .. not to be left behind on that tech train .. and so like so many other nations did work at Wuhan -- claiming that "if it ever does jump" we be ready for it .. .. an Orwellian Self Fulfilling prophecy if Pandora ever gets out of box. .. and next thing you know they are forcing the Jab on people. Which gets me to thinking .. were are we on that investigation "lab Leak" and where is the conversation about how we gonna prevent other pandora's boxs from exploding.

 

My position, given the chronic mendacity of the federal government, is that whatever the government says, the opposite is probably the case.

If their position is that Wuhan did it, most likely Wuhan did not. A sort of red herring.

 

Did you ever watch the "Zeitgeist" Addendum Documentary?

The clues to all the world government "illusions" are all spelled out.

And the reason why this video is even allowed to exist is because the "sheep" have already been so thoroughly programmed; and are completely powerless to do anything about it or to counter it.

 

Still haven’t understood why it matters where Covid began, especially given that we will never know for sure since China is never going to release the facts, it’s an inane discussion

 

I agree, but all things considered, including numerous records and facts from the US Patent Office, and the well-established behavior of the US government, it likely began right here in the US of A. That said, it was clearly a world-wide event with numerous international players.

 

My problem with the claims of "covert" is that the very scientist in the Lab accused of spreading the virus attended world wide conferences and spoke with scientists world wide about her research and what she was doing. It was far from covert. That makes zero sense.

Covid 19 evolved from Sars and similiar viruses, i.e., swine flu, bird flu. That was proven. Its being transmitted in meat, poultry, blood is proven. Viruses continuing to evolve in open markets prior to Covid 19 and after it that are not Covid 19 but can be connected back to SARS have been and are being proven.

At best even if someone could blame a lab, it would only be one specific strain not the multitude of strains that were evolving prior to the leak and proven and after the leak and not connected to the supposed leaked strain.

The desire to blame all Covid 19 on a lab leak means there was no natural evolution of SARS into new viruses. It makes the virus neat and explained. It is what conspiracy theories do...take a complex evolutionary process humans can not control and fear and make it controlled and created by humans. In so doing it renders what would otherwise be unpredictable neat and fit in an easy to resolve explanation.

The most likely explanation is a zoonotic jump from an animal to humans, specifically racoon dogs and maybe bats.

https://www.science.org/content/article/evidence-suggests-pandemic-came-nature-not-lab-panel-says

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/scienc...inks-pandemics-beginning-to-animals-not-a-lab

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-not-human-made-lab-genetic-analysis-nature

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57268111

The committee of Trump Maga fanatics who held a hearing to allege a lab leak engaged in the exact same bullshit they are doing with Hunter Biden. They have a Maga agenda to advance that conforms to defending Trump's unfounded accusations.

For someone with no scientific understanding of viruses or formal education in critical analysis, no doubt subjective witness statements at that committee hearing sounds credible but it doesn't make it credible because there was in fact NO actual evidence given to prove a leak. All evidence was based on speculating about possible explanations for second hand evidence no one proved not any direct proof.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57268111

https://apnews.com/article/archive-fact-checking-9391149002

Trump Maga conspirators will continue without evidence to misquote and misrepresent speculative theory as evidence. It is not and no US Intelligence did not say it came from a lab leak:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/23/us/politics/covid-lab-leak-wuhan-report.html

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...-covid-19-was-made-in-a-chinese-lab-1.4899662

Trumpets lie, lie and lie. You can provide them evidence until doomsday but if it does not fit their narrative of what Trump told them, its pointless. They do not think Trump lied or made anything up. No matter how many people around him are exposed as liars they just chug along drinking his koolaid.

The reality is the virus spread because of dirty humans engaging in cruel inhumane practices and until we learn to change that behaviour viruses will continue to breed and spread.

https://theconversation.com/the-cov...now-the-virus-came-from-a-wuhan-market-188163

 

Makes perfect sense to me , and that’s why fauci and Collins suspected a lab leak privately

And Mohammad mossadegh was an evil man and the people
Loved the shah .

And the fbi and department of energy were on crack when they came out with their likelihood determination .

Some people live in this nice and neat bubble where we know the good guys and we know the bad guys .
If only this were true . I wish I could go back to the idealistic times of my childhood but unfortunately history teaches us one thing : absolute power corrupts absolutely .

 

1. You state you believe it makes perfect sense there was a lab leak. How? There was no evidence ever provided by anyone of a direct like between the supposed lab that leaked it and the virus. The so called FBI report provided no medical evidence. So how does any theory let alone the FBI's about a lab leak make sense when they have no evidence of a leak? How does a theory make sense if it can't be proven?

see:https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-03-08/covid-lab-leak-energy-department-fbi

2. In addition you conveniently ignore is that 4 other US intelligence agencies rejected the FBI hypothesis:

https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Declassified-Assessment-on-COVID-19-Origins.pdf

https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/docu...Summary-of-Assessment-on-COVID-19-Origins.pdf

https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-identified-lone-agency-endorse-140517110.html

3. More to the point, the hypothesis of a lab leak makes zero sense even without medical evidence:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/06/15/lab-leak-theory-doesnt-hold-up-covid-china/

https://www.vox.com/health/23617450/covid-origins-lab-leak-theory-energy-department-sars-china

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/03/scicheck-still-no-determination-on-covid-19-origin/


4. You stated Fauci claimed the virus came from a lab leak. That is false. in Fact ge made it clear he did NOT believe Covid 19 came from a lab leak so please stop misrepresenting what he actually stated:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbr...gins-and-the-lab-leak-theory/?sh=426cc8bba853

The other comments you made I could not make any sense out of. I am not sure what you were trying to argue. All I can tell you is the arguments I make are based on whether there is independent medical evidence to prove a lab leak. So far none has been provided so no I can not find that would make sense without evidence. On the other hand evidence as to viruses mutating from the blood, feces, urine, saliva, pus and other body fluids of animals touched by humans has been proven time and time again.

In fact your comment makes no sense in that if anything you are arguing it makes sense to you China leaked the virus because of evil reasons.

It is absolutely clear and discussed in all the sources I provided that labs across the world study viruses and add things to them to monitor how they become mor or less contagious. There is nothing sinister in that.

If you have proof of sinister Chinese motives oh do provide them.

 

See how it works is if Trump advances a conspiracy theory is makes sense.
If the FBI agree with that same conspiracy theory it makes sense.
If the FBI however investigates Trump and alleges he committed crimes it makes no sense.
See how that works?
Why of course.

Let's summarize a committee set up for partisan purposes to try defend Trump and "investigate", i.e., try find dirt they think will rehabilitate Trump's image, set up an "investigation" of the lab leak theory as they did Hunter Biden, and now investigate the Georgian prosecutor in the on going criminal litigation with Trump.

This committee claimed to have evidence of a rigged election and provided none. It claimed to have evidence of all kinds of crimes with Hunter Biden and it provided none for either.

It now advances a theory China leaked the virus from a lab with zero evidence.

All this committee has done is advance allegations with zero proof, claim it has proof, then never provides any. It is a partisan embarrassment.

Next, both the FBI and in fact Dept. of Energy have speculated it is probable a leak could have happened. However neither has provided medical evidence to prove that leak just speculation and so without that evidence it can NOT be assumed to be. Let us be clear-there is NO direct or indirect medical evidence that proves a lab leak. All the FBI has said was they think it COULD be possible. For something to be true, it needs to be proven as true by objective, neutral, non partisan, credible,existing evidence that can be measured and tested to verify its accuracy.

However there is objective evidence of finding the virus in an open market in Huanan and established evidence to show how Sars, swine and avian flu and specific strains of influenza originated from the handling of animal carcasses in the open markets.

The majority of the scientific community and intelligence agencies across the world pose Covid 19 came about through a zoonotic process, it jumped from an animal to a human.

The hypothesis there was a lab leak asks you to blindly agree with a Trump theory-the same Trump who is a pathological liar and lied repeatedly about Covid 19 and was caught red faced in his lies.

The lab leak the assumption is based on the Huanan open market where the virus was found being is in the same city as virus labs so it it had to come from the labs and specifically the virus was leaked from The Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) a 40-minute drive from the Huanan wet market where the first cluster of infections emerged.

It also was then fueled by a classified US intelligence report released stating three researchers at the Wuhan laboratory were treated in hospital in November 2019, just before the virus began infecting humans in the city - which began circulating in US media in 2021 and then was picked up by pro Trump maggaites repeating his China leaked it on purpose theory.

It again was assumed those 3 employees had Covid 19 and spread it. None of these employees was reported to have any virus but if you believe they had it you will believe their illnesses were not coincidental and had to be from the Covid virus.

A team of WHO-appointed scientists flew to Huanan in early 2021 on a mission to investigate the source of the pandemic and that team concluded the lab-leak theory was "extremely unlikely". However they were challenged by in fairness credible scientists who said they rushed their conclusion with insufficient data and their Director conceded this point and so that fueled the lab leak conspirators as well.

The lab leak theory believes that because Prof Shi Zhengli a researcher at the Wuhan Institute, published a report in 2021 revealing that her team had identified eight coronavirus strains found on bats in the mine in China in 2015 that this must mean she leaked the virus.

If she leaked the virus and China is covering that up, why did she provide her evidence since 2015 openly to other scientists around the world prior to the outbreak? The lab leak theory has you assume she fully discloses work on dangerous viruses but lies when she leaks them. People who cover up don't admit they have dangerous viruses to start with they would keep the studies and names of their viruses secret. Prof. Zhengli is being depicted as some kind of germ warfare researcher for China by the lab leak theorists. In real life, she is a transparent, apolitical scientist and has never hidden her research and work which was also being done in numerous countries across the world, working in collaboration.

Advancing lab leak theories are not new. It has been done with every major pandemic, i.e., small pox, aids, Asian flu, Swine flu, etc. For example he centre of the US biological weapons programme, Fort Detrick has been researching viruses including Ebola and smallpox for years and has been accused of leaks both accidental and deliberate again with no evidence.

FBI Director Wray stated he had no NEW evidence of a lab leak when he issued his report and when asked for the actual evidence did not provide any in his report. His entire report is based on "possible" theories not actual scientific evidence.

On the other hand the zoonotic or natural origin position is advanced by the the vast majority of the world's science community and leading experts such as Professor David Robertson, head of viral genomics and bioinformatics at the University of Glasgow who stated:

"There's been an accumulation of evidence (what we know about the viruses biology, the close variants circulating in bats and locations of early human cases) that firmly points to a natural origin centred on the Huanan market in Wuhan city,"

(source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57268111)

In summary until evidence of a lab leak is produced it remains a speculative theory but the zoonotic origins of viruses similar to Covid 19 being transferred from dead animal carcasses to humans is a proven process.

To think you can come into contact with the blood, saliva, urine, feces, pus and other bodily fluids of animal carcasses left out in the open covered in flies and full of parasites and transfer these carcasses by hand from person to person is absurd.

To conclude, for those who say it sounds reasonable, of course it does. They do not require scientific evidence of proof. They make assumptions and conclusions without evidence.
















In science and law, you don't just assume. You corroborate through evidence.

The fact is the lab leak theory is fueled and motivated by politics not science.



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57268111

 

The real irony of this is, a year and a half ago, The Washington Post would never have run anything like this, and it would have have been banned from Twitter and Facebook.


In Wuhan, doctors knew the truth. They were told to keep quiet

 

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