What to know about Biden's 2025 budget proposal

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  1. grapeape

    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    HUH ? Ever heard of the CPI….how stagnant is it ?

    RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE !!!!!!
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then why don't you propose raising taxes on old people since they own most of the wealth? Why do you have a problem with people that work hard all their lives, scrimp and save, so that they can retire without relying on the pittance that the SS program pays? And all that after they've paid into it their whole lives?
     
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    https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...arners-more-wealth-middle-class/71769832007/#
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who said anything about going after wealth ?

    Im pointing out that income is one thing, but wealth is another. Wealth is the concentration of assets at the top, i.e. the ownership class that then get the outsized influence on our politics
     
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    We are bumping up against the consequences of selling off industrial production to China, and creating "make work" green jobs that cannot ever make a profit, and not requiring welfare peeps to attempt work.
    And the quality of the American population is falling due to lack of education, disrespect for the law, and drug use.
    We pay taxes in April, and we also pay the taxes rolled into everything we buy.
    The nation's wallets are running dry.
     
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    And INCREASE prices EVEN MORE. Make yourself a better more valuable worker and stop demanding government take care of you.
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you support the government subsidizing wages ?
     
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    He supports making yourself a better more valuable worker and stop demanding government take care of you.
     
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    grapeape Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What do you mean “government taking care of you” ?

    NOBODY who works a 40hr a week job should require government assistance to survive. And the real irony is that when this happens you believe the government is subsidizing the employee, when they are actually subsidizing the employer !!!!

    If you cant pay your employees a livable wage, you go out of business…..whats good for the goose is good for the gander…..right ?
     
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    This is where you are wrong. Many jobs should be held by kids who live at home or young people just starting out and have to find roommates to get by. The government isn't your nanny and neither is the employer. A person needs to gain skills as they grow and get better jobs, more skills, better jobs, etc. If you watch TV, play video games, and party all the time and never help yourself, you will not be worth even minimum wage. People don't deserve free stuff just because they exist. If you do want that kind of life, move to a communist country and enjoy your freedom.
     
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    I agree that some jobs should, but once a person reaches the age of adulthood, WHY should the government subsidize an employer ? And it ridiculous to think that everyone should have “skilled jobs” ? SOMONE has to clean the toilets, SOMEONE has to work at the slaughter house……
     
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    I was waiting for someone else to thrash his claim that the top one percent makes HALF the income when it's less than half of that but they pay (especially if you include the death tax and other federal income taxes like the Medicare Part B surcharge) over half the federal income based taxes
     
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    why should tax payers subsidize someone who doesn't gain the sort of trade skills needed to gain them the income they think they deserve?
     
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    Because it is already taxed at least once and in some ways twice. At least give them a break on the 3rd tax and reduce it from the Maximum tax rate.
     
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    The taxpayers are subsidizing the employer !!!!!!!

    You know someone has to be a janitor right ? Why shouldnt a janitor (or any job) be paid a living wage ? If you cant pay your employees a living wage, you shouldn't be in business
     
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    I'm waiting for someone to define "living wage". Is this a federal living wage that would apply to someone in Manhattan as well as someone living in Iuka, Mississippi? Those in Iuka would be ecstatic in their 2500 sq ft 4bd while those in Manhattan would be living in a 200 sq ft closet.
     
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    how is cap GAINS taxed 3 times ?
     
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    no they are not. they are subsidizing people who don't bother getting the skills necessary. WTF is a living wage? 200 dollar Nike Sneakers? new cell phones?
     
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    So much subjective non-sense.

    People are paid what they are WORTH. That's a fact of life.

    And what is a "livable wage"?

    So, somebody does drugs all through high school, get his girlfriend pregnant at 18, and manages money like congress. But he works 40 hours picking up trash, so he and his unwed girlfriend now with 8 kids can all have some standard of living?

    Why did everybody else suddenly become responsible for this guy and his choices? Collectivism is a failure.
     
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    ahhh, the "nu-uh" defense

    Why should the government subsidize wages ? SOMEONE has to dig the ditch, so WHY does the government have to subsidize private companies to pay THEIR employees ?

    This argument that "they should find a better job" is absolute BS. SOMEONE has to do the job.

    EX:Conagra Foods
    Government subsidies $270,000,000 (State and federal)
    Line workers in Iowa average pay is $13 per hour or $27k per year
    This qualifies those employees for housing and wage assistance in the state

    Con-Agra profits in 2023 $1.5 BILLION !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So we (the taxpayer) should subsidize a multinational company $270 million, who made $1.5 Billion last year, but that $200 we pay to Bob so he can eat is where you draw the line ?
     
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    do you have issues with the free market? do you dislike profit and capitalism?
     
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    YES, I have a problem with subsidizing for profit corporations.

    Why do you hold the individual to t different standard than you hold the corporation ?
     

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