What will right-wingers with no health insurance do now?

Why not? You are free to purchase insurance some place else

 

You can't underwrite policies the way you're suggesting. It's ok you don't understand how underwriting works. It's definitely a specialized type job that the avg person wouldn't understand. I don't mean that in a condescending way. Hell, before I became one I had no idea what it involved.

 

Shop around find the policies that best suit your life

 

Good luck with that

 

It’s worked well for me. Happy with my policy

 

Uh huh

 

I'm not a fan of the King mandating what we MUST purchase. To each his own.

 

Read my post we both experienced the same skinny networks.

 

I am only in regards to health insurance. Again because of underwriting 101.

 

You are the one who started using the term “universal” in the same posts where you called for everyone to be tested. The term “universal” in relation to Coronavirus testing in the scientific community refers to tests that can screen for multiple viruses. Since you like links, here you go.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmicb.2017.01510/full

Universal testing where everyone is tested or everyone who wants tested is a figment of your and some journalist’s imagination. I’ve run the math for you on why. I’m not linking to sites to prove there are 16 million healthcare workers or that a 40 hour week is an accepted norm. Look it up if you are that out of touch.

I base my opinions on verifiable facts gleaned from all over. From articles online to phone calls to local health departments to questions I ask health professionals I know. Also I draw on my educational background in biology and animal science and the continuing education I get dealing with veterinary medicine on a daily basis. Just this morning I had a long conversation with a veterinarian about nasally administered Coronavirus vaccination of bovines to prevent communicable respiratory disease and how the similarities and differences of those viruses apply to today’s need for a human vaccine for COVID-19. My point is that limiting one’s knowledge to stuff you google isn’t my style. I’m sorry we see things differently on sources of knowledge. If everything you know comes from a journalist then that’s the way it is, but you aren’t going to get that from me. If that makes me “not serious”, then so be it.

As far as the link that you posted contradicting yourself, I already explained that. I had read that article previously to engaging you on the subject and some of my knowledge about South Korea did come from there. That’s why as soon as I saw the linked article I knew you had “done messed up”. All I had to do was scroll down to where I knew the pertinent paragraph was and quote it.

Sure. I just got off the phone with this outfit.
https://www.trphd.org/
They verified that everyone who needs tested has been and is being tested. That’s how our system works in the US. There is local control.

I’m also friends with a physician that runs one of the bigger “local” hospitals in my area. They are not experiencing any problems getting people tested.

Here is some confirmation from as good of a source as I know of.
http://www.kmaland.com/news/nebrask...cle_9717fb3a-63df-11ea-829a-43cd6641f2c5.html

Here’s a quote from the Nebraska Public Health Laboratory director.

Again I’ll emphasize one of the leading experts here is claiming universal testing isn’t necessary and should be based on the individual person’s need, not emotion.

So if we go back to the link you posted on South Korea we see their testing is based on symptoms, likelihood of exposure, and a doctor’s opinion. That is exactly how it is being done where I live.

So serious poster, where have you shown the basis for your claim universal testing exists in S. Korea? Or that this is the most widespread epidemic? Or that you never made that claim even though I posted the quote to prove it? Where is the information to back up the notion this can only be stopped (without a months long shutdown) by every person being tested? You spout nonsense in direct opposition to healthcare professionals with no documentation whatsoever. Then as we see in the next paragraphs below you think I’m not serious.

The only thing you’ve posted outside your personal opinion contradicted your opinion. And yet you blabber on about sources. It’s bizarre.

By your own definition you are not serious. LOL

Don’t deny making a statement, have that statement quoted to you, and accuse me of not being serious. I mean you can, but don’t be surprised if the whole forum laughs for a while, reads your sig line again, shakes their collective heads, and never takes ANYTHING you say seriously again. LOL.

 

Your words
"Golem, since you want to call me a liar..."

I don't know what you expect to gain by digging yourself into a deeper hole. Just retract your statement and be done with it!

 

Did you say "ME"?

You seem to be under the incorrect assumption that Obamacare was designed to help you ... personally.

Obamacare wasn't designed to fix where you decide to live. It was meant to fix the lack of proper healthcare to over 20 million Americans who couldn't afford it. And those who could afford it but were refused coverage because of pre-existing conditions. And the fact that 15% to 20% increases in insurance every year was about to collapse the whole healthcare system.... And many other things. But your personal decisions were not among the problems it was designed to.

And it did that. And it has saved many lives. If saving lives inconvenienced you because of where you decided to live.... that "inconvenience" might be fixed with universal healthcare. Or maybe not.... You'll have a better chance of it being fixed when Healthcare is recognized as a human right in the only industrialized nation in the world that doesn't recognize this already. I don't know. But you can be sure that the actions needed to bring the right to healthcare to millions of more Americans are not going to sit there waiting for you to catch up.

 

Did you NOT saying I was lying about my Obamacare quote? It's pretty simple, yes or no?

 

Hold on! You are quoting that as if I had said it. I did not.

You misquoted. You need to be careful with that.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...surance-do-now.569427/page-12#post-1071514319
For the last time, stop digging yourself deeper into the hole and retract!

 

I opened the Massachusetts Healthcare Market, entered a birth date of 1/1/1960 and before subsidies, (and the lady in your example will receive subsidies) I chose a random Bronze, Silver and Gold plan from tons of plans... and this is what I got





Where the hell did you get some $1000 premium?

Now, see what you did? Now I can't trust anything you say. You need to show references!

 

If you don't want to get tested, you are something much worse than a freeloader... I did expect the most basic human compassion from these people. At least to a point in which they don't want to infect with a deadly disease the people that are around them.

Do you think I expect too much?

 

The post where you said I was lying about my quote has been removed (probably for the insults you included) Though there is still one where you directly stated I "am full of it" is still up. Are you now going to deny you said I was lying about the quote for my premium? And you tell ME to stop digging? LOL, I have some welding to do, I have no more time for your antics. Good day Sir!

 

See how giving references clarifies things so we know what you're talking about? The problem for you is that references clarifies things so we know what you're talking about!

And this reveals that your claim was BS.

Of course this happens! What you described was something different. Where a patient who has insurance is charged more than a patient who doesn't have, when they both pay cash. Completely different from what your links mention.

But the statement you need to show a basis for with references is when you say that this was caused by Obamacare.

Go!

 

We all pay taxes. That's not the question. If you are one of those who don't pay health insurance because, they say, they'll pay for their own healthcare costs.... this is a healthcare cost.

If you're not one of those... stop wasting our time. If you are one of those, stop wasting our time and answer the question clearly. Though I think that, if it's the latter, you already did.

 

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No retraction...

Pity! Now I can't take you seriously....

 

The good news is, my welds came out excellent.
So you deny saying I was lying about my Obamacare quote? Notice you forgot to answer. What kind of silly game is your pointless denial about? You think others dont read your post? You straight said I was lying about my quote. What the hell would i retract? You said it, we both know it.

 

Your original comment on which I was commented was : "I'm sure they can afford it. I'm wondering if, given the opportunity to free-load that the government gives them, they will actually put their money where their supposed hate of free-loaders is." In the event you have forgot what you were talking about, you were talking about republicans accepting free corona virus testing.

That is a really poor logic. It would be stupid for someone not to accept a government handout when they eligible whether they believe in that particular handout or not.
Again. The issue is not whether they should accept the handout. The issue is whether the government should have given the handout to start with.
Most democrats were opposed to the tax cut. However, I don't know any of them who did not accept the tax cut. This situation is no different.

 

I already sent link and quote showing how it is being used in relation to the coronavirus. I also explained that I went ahead and adopted your use of the word, because it didn't make any difference to my point.

Looks like you insist on desperately grasping for straws.

Makes no difference if you base your opinions on verifiable facts or not if you don't post references where we can verify them.

So you admit you can't produce references. It figures....

Look...that's B.S. I have had discussions on many many forums about multiple topics over the years. I learn a lot from things that I remember somebody said, or I heard on TV or on the radio. But if I'm going to use it as an argument here, I look for a reference that the reader can verify. If I don't have that, posting the information is useless if it can't be verified by the reader.

I guess I grew up in a scientific environment in which we don't operate under the assumption that what somebody says is automatically a fact. Something you are obviously not familiar with. There is always a reference. And if there is no reference, then the information is of no use until it can be verified. It's when that happens that it becomes objective.

So... no. Your excuse does not hold water. If you are going to discuss something, do a bit of legwork. Look for a reference to support that what your friend told you on the phone is accurate. "My friend who's a doctor told me" is not going to help you in a serious debate.

I already sent you a quote and a link. Am I wasting my time by submitting verifiable facts while you just ask your doctor friend over the phone?

For the last time... here...

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...surance-do-now.569427/page-11#post-1071512854

So if your only reference is always going to be your doctor friend on the phone, than any attempt at a serious discussion with you is hopeless.

 

Again, premise flaws. You are now presuming that I plan to go out mingle among people even if I suspect I am contagious. Now personally, I 1) already have insurance and have maintained such since I was in the Navy, and 2) if I suspect that I have any symptoms, I would go to the doctor's. At that point the cost is on me. However if anyone wants me to get tested prior to my deciding I need to see a doctor, then they can pay for it. And yes, if I felt that I didn't need insurance, I would expect to pay the cost of the test of I was the one initiating the procedure.