What would happen if there were no borders?

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  1. Anders Hoveland

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    Hypothetically, what would happen if there no immigration laws, and all the people of the world were allowed to live and work in whichever country they wanted to?

    How would this affect the standard of living in the developed countries? How much would this improve the standard of living in the impoverished countries? How would this affect global economic inequality? Would it just drive down wages to subsistence levels, with so many desperate unemployed willing to work for anything, and put up with mistreatment?

    Would all the people want to move to the developed countries for job opportunities? Would this mass movement of people cause overcrowding in certain areas where the jobs are?

    Would you support free movement of people across borders, or would you be afraid of it causing high levels of unemployment where you live?
     
  2. waltky

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    This answer yer question?...
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    Mom given bill to clean street after son killed by illegal immigrant driving drunk
    June 25, 2012 – A grieving mother told a South Carolina court she was slapped with several bills, including one to clean the street after her son was killed by a drunken driver last year.
     
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    The U.S. would be (*)(*)(*)(*)ed with the scum from the south freely infiltrating our country.
     
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    This may sound dumb, but WTF are borders?
     
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    Not only sounds dumb, but is dumb.
     
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    So you don't know either. :blankstare:
     
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    breakdown of all law, American culture and society. followed by all civilization.
     
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    All the rainbow children would live happily ever after, working together in peace and harmony. The world would be a Garden of Eden! We are all ONE at last!
    Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya Oh Lord, kumbaya.

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  9. Anders Hoveland

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    I have a suspicious feeling that weakening the restrictions on the movement of people from one country to another is the first step to getting rid of the borders, and ultimately unifying all the countries into a single world government.
     
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    If this would happen, quality of life in many flourishing countries would diminish.
     
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    That's exactly what it is Anders and a number of lies are used to justify it. The most common is that we need immigrants for growth and to pay our pensions (I wonder how the masses of young unemployed people in Greece and Spain view this absurd logic). The reality is the global elite (both left and "right" - if you can make such a distinction in mainstream politics any more) want an easy to control Borg population / Hive where everybody is a serf and an unelected nomenklatura / mafia runs everything from behind the scenes. If you look at the assault on our institutions and way of life (religion / marriage / culture / identity) then they are all major impediments on the road to this New World Order and it's no accident (in my opinion) that all have come / and are under revolutionary attack.
     
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    Right. If her son had been killed by a drunken deadbeat who was a U.S. citizen it would have been no problem. How friggin childish. Answer the question? It doesn't even address the question.
     
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    I believe we've already seen what happens without borders. Everybody gets their hedges trimmed and their lawns mowed, you get great burritos wherever you go, and the service unions get broken up. It's a beautiful thing.
     
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    Poor people would flock to rich locations.

    Criminals would flock to safe and trusting neighborhoods.

    Sexual deviants and perverts would flock to Christian neighborhoods to prey on their children.

    The scum of the Earth would try to flood through the Gates of Heaven............anymore simple questions to deal with today???
     
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    The end of america and the govt we have place for hundred of years and in it place something really horrible that i wouldn't even imagine it
     
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    To answer this question you simply have to look at the EU. Thanks to the Schengen Agreement the member states of the EU don't have any passport controls at the borders anymore. Furthermore, every citizen of the EU may freely move and work in every single one of the member states without having to obtain a working permit.

    Now, what does this mean for daily life? Well, I myself life in a border region, the Netherlands are only a half hour drive away from my place, so I think I have some inkling as to the consequences. For one, visiting the neighbouring country is very easy and often done. In fact, many people from Germany drive to the Netherlands in order to buy their coffee and petrol since it's less expensieve and the same goes for many Dutchmen. In addition, both Dutchmen and Germans live in one country but work in the other, without any problems concerning tax or anything else. So the open borders are beneficial for both countries' economies.

    Furthermore, the open borders have led to an intermingling of cultures of a sort. For example, German schools in the border region have started giving lessons in the Dutch language and vice versa in the Netherlands. So the open borders really have brouth Dutch and Germans closer together. (This does not extend to soccer of course :p)

    As for the question of immigrants and job security. When the German job market was opened for citizens of eastern-european member states in 2011, the expected flood of workers failed to appear. Instead of hundreds of thousands of polish workers only several ten thousand workers actually came. The same is true for Britain which actually opened its job market in 2004. So I think it can be surmised that an opening of the job market for citizens of other countries does not consequently lead to a massive influx of new workers.

    All in all, I quite like living in Europe and the Schengen Agreement. I can only view the opening of borders as something positive which has led to a greater mobility within the European population. And since this has worked quite well in the EU I don't see why it shouldn't work in other regions of the world. I believe that the opening of borders worldwide is ultimately a goal which is worth striving for, although I highly doubt that it's going to be realized in the next few decades.
     
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    Would you like an EU if it included the likes of Syria, Haiti, Nigeria and Zimbabwe?
     
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    Sure, once those countries fulfill the requirements needed to obtain a membership to the EU. "Any European country which respects the principles of liberty, democracy, respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms, and the rule of law may apply to become a member of the Union. The Treaty on European Union sets out the conditions ( article 6, article 49)." (Source: http://ec.europa.eu/enlargement/the-policy/conditions-for-enlargement/index_en.htm)

    If all these requirements are fulfilled then why shouldn't these countries apply for a EU membership (if you ignore the fact that they are not in fact European countries). And don't worry, the process which determines the accession to the EU takes place over several years and is closely monitored. As of now Turkey does not fulfill all of the necessary requirements so it would take a long time until the countries you named would be allowed to join.
     
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    OK then. Mexico does not meet that criteria, so why would open borders with the U.S. be OK? Mexico is screwed up. I would not want that riff raff freely crossing into the U.S. any more so than they are doing now.
     
  20. LemurianCitizen

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    I never stated that you should open the borders to Mexico. I just generally think that open borders are a great thing that I would like to see happening worldwide. But that's obviously not going to happen yet. It took the EU and it's predecessor organisations almost fifity years before the Schengen Agreement was signed, after all. It is, however, possible for open borders to work out in the interest of all countries involved. That's all I wanted to state.
     
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    Well, all countries in an open border situation need to be similar in economic development, security, etc.
     

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