What's so great about Diversity?

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  1. Winter Sun

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    I heard a lot of people saying Barrett was also a bad pick.
     
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    Those who hate Christians. While Notre Dame is a very good law school, it is not top ten. However, the Dean of Notre Dame (and due to Notre Dame's status as one of the two most prominent Catholic Universities in the USA-it often gets students who could have attended higher ranked schools) noted that AB was the best student ND law had produced in thirty years. That, IMHO RANKS well ahead of say a woman who was perhaps top 100 in her class at Harvard and most likely would not have been accepted into Harvard Law but for her status as a black female. Harvard law -at least when I was seeking admission to law schools-was adding a .5 to the GPA of black males-slightly more for black females (and when the LSAT was out of 800) adding 130 points to black males LSAT scores and little more to black women's scores. Meaning a white male from say Dartmouth with a 3.8 GPA and a 775 (which was about 50/50 getting into Harvard Law) would rank behind a black female with a 3.3 and a 670
     
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    If they are discussing the fate of Rwandan Hutus, it’s not a good sign. That’s why power shouldn’t be concentrated in the hands of one group. It’s not a diverse group based on the make up of Rwanda.
     
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    I think you’re bias. She was picked because she’s a woman, a pro life Christian, and a mother of many children. pro-life Republicans liked the optics of a woman like that helping destroy Roe. She was picked to generate base excitement. That’s how the Supreme Court is used today. It’s used to generate political interest and excitement. It’s not about qualifications, the integrity of the court, or anything like that.
     
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    that may be true. but she certainly was more qualified than Biden's pick. and of course a conservative or someone who panders to conservatives is going to pick someone with conservative credentials. And having earned three Ivy degrees, I do think there is something to be said in expanding the court past 4-5 of the same law schools. I tried cases for 30 years. I worked with three people who all were top ten in their classes at top schools (two Harvard Magna cum Laudes, and a U of Chicago graduate who clerked for Scalia on the USSC) Seven of my closest friends at Yale clerked for the supremes including Scalia, Kennedy, and Blackmun. I also worked with a guy who went to a local night school. He was one of the best trial attorneys I ever worked with. One of the top judges I ever argued in front of went to Ohio State Law school-he clerked for Scalia and would be a wonderful justice. What I am saying is that there are some really top legal minds who went some place other than Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Chicago, Columbia, Cornell,Duke or NYU
     
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    Kinda hard for Conservatives to make believe they are not racists, when they constantly attack racial & ethnic diversity.
     
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    As Lee Kuan Yew, the former President of Singapore said, "In multiracial societies, you don't vote in accordance with your economic interests and social interests, you vote in accordance with race and religion." This of course, is a problem of democracies , not authoritarian states or empires. There have been many successful diverse empires. The Romans, Byzantines, and the Ottoman's had people of many races, languages, creeds, and religions, and that didn't distract, and in fact enriched them. Of course, there was always one dominate language or culture that was enforced as the "official" one. People from all over the empire could become Roman citizens, but that meant towing the Roman line, in Latin.

    With democracies, you see how Lee Kuan Yew's comment is used in action. Someone mentioned Rwanda in this thread, but it's true of all of Africa after the end of colonialism they had multiple states made up of diverse tribal and ethnic groups, so political parties also divided up that way. So every election was a struggle of one tribe trying to get power over another tribe. Modern day India, a democracy, is a good example of that as well.

    And of course the United States...

    We are the most "diverse" of the First World nations, but we're being torn apart. Our "news" consists of one racial story after another. No matter how ridiculous, like this week's Nurse Karen trying to get her bike. In a normal society, a story like this would never have made the news, but the appetite for racial unrest seems to be unlimited. It's almost all we can talk about, and I don't think this ends well.

    On the other hand we have great authentic ethnic restaurants so there is that.
     
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    So it's about how people look?

    I thought it was about how people think!

    Your way sounds a bit too superficial for my tastes.
     
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    Sure, it's up to you. It doesn't really matter to me.
     
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    I don’t think that what’s occurring the USA proves that racially diverse people just can’t live around each other peacefully, because human beings can’t handle diversity. There’s always diversity in human society, even if it’s not racial or cultural. Western Europe fought and killed each other over religion and had decades of war over religious differences. Before that happened, white Christian, Western Europeans killed and persecuted Jews for everything from starting the black plague to committing blood libel and just threatening the cultural and ethnic homogeneity of Europe by existing in it. Culturally and racially homogeneous societies have targeted women, people with disabilities, physical and mental afflictions, and people with differences in political ideology.

    I believe the primal reason Americans are acting the way they are is because they’re threatened by losing power and cultural influence. they expect to dominate the country because they think it’s truly theirs and they’re superior. “We want to take our country back. Jews will not replace us!”

    They’re not reacting this way because they simply just can’t handle living next door to people who don’t look like them. Humans have lived next-door to people who look like them, and still can’t manage being peaceful and not trying to eradicate each other.

    Democracy isn’t a weakness in this moment, it’s a strength. The belief that all people should be equal and human rights shouldn’t depend upon the color of your skin, your religion, or culture is vital in moments like this in human history. Democratic values are not a weakness. The values of fascism and communism expedite the evil forces that give us philosophical permission to actually stamp the other side out.
     
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    Let’s start with the male/female inequalities. Why should a woman earn less if she is doing the same job? If pay were equal - what impact does that have on the family?

    I just watched a UK guy called Akala speak - looked like a black gang member spokes like an Oxford Don (so much for MY implicit biases :p). He spoke of how lifting communities out of poverty reduced crime rate. Now if people fail to get jobs based on skin colour then that alone has a massive impact on communities. How do we know there is still bias in the workforce? Because we are still talking about it. When we treat people as people and stop mentioning race and or gender we know we will have solved this problem
     
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    Crime segregation war...hate violence...
     
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    Australia was very very “racist”. We did a couple of things and one was a TV/radio network devoted to multiculturalism. SBS
    https://www.sbs.com.au/

    Would you believe it has had an impact
     
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    Women earn less salary then men because traditionally they take off from their careers to rear children. Yeah, it's God's cruel joke on men- the women rear kids, the men pay for it. It's been a feature of American culture since day one.

    So we got men and women and various colors. What about diversity of thought? People can hold the same values and think very differently.
     
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    And who is fuelling that?
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    Your first paragraph seems to make my point, not yours.

    And I'm unclear what you are referring to here, "I believe the primal reason Americans are acting the way they are is because they’re threatened by losing power and cultural influence." As used in this sentence, who are the Americans who are threatened and who are they losing this "power and cultural influence" to?
     
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    Nice chart, pretty colors and everything. Who complied it and what was their methodology? Thanks.

    Never mind, I looked it up. Anti defamation league. It's a 20 year chart, form '93 to '17. 42% is 63 out of a total of 150 incidents. Hardly proof of anything in a country of >320,000,000
     
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    Oh! What a load of steaming………

    “Diversity of thought……

    Meet the “inventor” of modern computing - Alan Turing
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing

    He was prosecuted for being “Gay”
     
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    Sweet! Now go look at a majority black country and show me a graph!
     
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    Why?
     
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    It wasn't me, I did not persecute anyone.

    Some of you sound hung up on superficial diversity of color. I can't see the benefits. I mean, if you got three Caucasians two Blacks and a Hebrew, how does that stack up against three Blacks, two Caucasians and an American Indian?

    Someone else said it could be quantified.
     
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    Pretty colors don't distract me. And all the silly monkeys call me racist.
     
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    Keep digging that hole...
     
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    wrong yet again. attacking quota hires or less competent individuals over more qualified ones in order to fill racial slots is hardly racist. Claiming a B student should get into a selective college because she is a black lesbian ahead of a white straight Male with an A average is the real racism and that is what the woke culture is pushing. The one institutionalized racism left in the USA is affirmative action racism
     
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