What's up with the double standard?

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  1. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    A double standard, he created? I'm not following your logic here. If he felt like this report showed Trumps mental decline, where is any comments or post from him back in 2019 saying so?

    Multiple people on this post are saying that this shows Trump's mental decline. Do they have any post from 2019 saying the same thing?
     
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    I think his point is going right over your head. Talk to Lee if you need a further explanation.
     
  3. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    No, I think I just exposed the "whataboutism" that left-wingers are using at the moment to try and deflect from Joe's facilities.
     
  4. ECA

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    Like I said...his actual point went sailing over your head. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
  5. Junkieturtle

    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

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    The MAGA crowd has spent so long criticizing Biden's age and mental capacity that they can't even bear the thought of having to apply the same standard to Trump. They'll excuse similar behavior from him up to and including the point at which he can't even remember his own name. Double-standards as a concept does not exist in MAGA world. There are only two standards. That which they hold Trump and allies to and that which they hold everyone else to. To us, that is indeed a double standard, but in their minds anything related to Trump has special considerations and exceptions that ultimately exist because deep down, the MAGA crowd knows that trying to hold Trump to a standard will just be exercise is futile disappointment.
     
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    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    Wrong
     
  7. ECA

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    Whatever
     
  8. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    White flag of surrender noted.
     
  9. ECA

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    Hmmm...I simply choose to not go down a rabbit hole with someone who doesn't have the capacity to grasp the point of the OP. Since your ego needs the last word, I will allow you to have it. Cheers.
     
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  10. Junkieturtle

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    There's no whataboutism involved if you're a Trump supporter. Your own candidate is suffering from the same symptoms, he's just not quite as far along. So if you want to be truthful, you now get to argue about what level of cognitive decline is okay and why Trump should be excluded from the standards everyone else is held to. But then, having to invent reasons why Trump is an exception is a near daily occurrence so it'll probably just be business as usual.
     
  11. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    Do you have a post claiming the same thing back in 2019 based off this report? Or did you as well come to this conclusion as a way to defend Joe?
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Cogent people can legitimately not remember countless details from countless things and not raise any eyebrows.

    When you were Vice President, or when your son died are not among them. Those are either blatant lies or a shocking revelation of mental incompetence. I dont doubt that he was just being dishonest in order to play dumb in that deposition, but if that were the case and it was determined that he did remember and this denial was instead perjury, that would be perhaps even more damaging for Biden. The problem that he has is that he either needs to accept the narrative that he is shockingly incompetent, or admit that he perjured himself when claiming to not remember.

    It is indeed a catch 22.
     
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    Got the video footage of trump walking into walls? Ya'll been using the same picture for years of someone helping him with his jacket at a golf event so please come up with something new. and make sure its video footage. We have enough footage of biden proving his mental deficiencies that if we put it all together into one video, it may even rival the length of Godfather II
     
  14. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Right wing media was apoplectic when Hur release his hit job on Joe. Repubs have been claiming Biden has dementia for months and months. Do you honestly think any Repubs even remembered (no pun intended) Trump claimed a lack of memory prevented him from answering Mueller's questions 30 times.

    Beginning in December 2017, this Office sought for more than a year to interview the President on topics relevant to both Russian-election interference and obstruction-of-justice. We advised counsel that the President was a “subject” of the investigation under the definition of the Justice Manual—“a person whose conduct is within the scope of the grand jury’s investigation.” Justice Manual & 9-11.151 (2018). We also advised counsel that “[a]n interview with the President is vital to our investigation” and that this Office had “carefully considered the constitutional and other arguments raised by ... counsel, and they d[id] not provide us with reason to forgo seeking an interview.” 1 We additionally stated that “it is in the interest of the Presidency and the public for an interview to take place” and offered “numerous accommodations to aid the President’s preparation and avoid surprise."2 After extensive discussions with the Department of Justice about the Special Counsel’s objective of securing the President’s testimony, these accommodations included the submissions of written questions to the President on certain Russia-related topics.3

    We received the President’s written responses in late November 2018.4 In December 2018, we informed counsel of the insufficiency of those responses in several respects.5 We noted, among other things, that the President stated on more than 30 occasions that he “does not recall’ or ‘remember’ or have an ‘independent recollection’” of information called for by the questions.6 Other answers were “incomplete or imprecise."7 The written responses, we informed counsel, “demonstrate the inadequacy of the written format, as we have had no opportunity to ask follow-up questions that would ensure complete answers and potentially refresh your client’s recollection or clarify the extent or nature of his lack of recollection.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/18/us/politics/mueller-report-document.html#g-page-371

    I recall no accusations of dementia made against Trump when he exhibited conveniently faulty memory.
     
  15. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump either exhibited conveniently faulty memory, or what could be described as stonewalling the investigation (obstruction of justice), or his memory was genuinely compromised. Pick your poison.
     
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    Claiming what back in 2019?
     
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    You have access to a computer and the internet, the same as I, and since I'm just a a regular dude with no kind of inner track or secret access to information, I have to believe that if I can read and watch the evidence, you can too. It's all out there, ready to be consumed. Donald Trump is in cognitive decline the same as Joe Biden, he's just not as far along yet. By the time he hits Biden's current age, I'll bet they'll be pretty comparable.

    But no need to worry, because he's Trump, he deserves to be judged by everyone with a separate lenient child-like set of standards because he's special.
     
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    That the Mueller interview highlighted Trumps cognitive decline.
     
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    There is a big difference between saying stupid things (trump) and not knowing what the hell you are saying or talking about (biden)

    Have you ever watched the apprentice? Trump has been saying stupid things for years. Ever seen interviews with him from the 80s? He always says something that makes you go "HUH?"
    There is a big difference. Trump knows what he's saying is stupid and says it anyway, Biden doesn't even really know what he's saying without a prompter.

    Example, Trump's poor wording of "I'd encourage Russia to invade" (stupidity or mental decline?) Do you think Trump wouldn't have said something like that 20 years ago? lol.
    Its a valiant attempt from you to try and compare mental decline to belligerence but it doesn't work. Trump and Biden are in 2 different worlds mentally. Trump is exceptionally energetic for a 77yr old and Biden is I'd say about your standard energy for an 81 year old, maybe even better than average physically, but mentally? That brain is a dementia ridden mess, sorry to say
    Edit: I also think if Trump couldn't do more than 1 term at this point, his age would be an issue as well and I think in general they should cap it at 75 yrs old after this election.
     
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    It feels like you and others are just denying what is right there in front of your face.

    There are lots of old people in politics. Trump, Pelosi, Schumer, Bernie etc. These people are all old, and occasionally have gaffes etc, but none of them look doddering and truly feeble. Biden is not in their category.

    Biden is more like Mitch McConnell, where you look at them and they truly look confused and appear to be people who could be in a nursing home. If you take away the politics, they are truly sad-looking figures. Neither one of them have any business still being in office. With a Senator such as McConnell, at least it is easy for a Senator to hide while they ride out their term. There is nowhere for a President to hide.

    To act like all of these people are in the same boat is bereft of reality, and deep down, you know this. This isnt about a double standard. It is about a doddering, feeble old man that is incapable of adequately performing the incredibly difficult duties of being President. You can despise Trump for a lot of reasons, but he is in no way a doddering, feeble, confused old man.
     
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  21. Lee Atwater

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    Do you think he really couldn't remember the answers to Mueller's questions or did he remember but obstruct the investigation?
     
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    Trump's "I do not recall that" is more like:
     
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    Hur is a political hack. But, President Biden can’t be charged because he’s President; remember the tRaitor tRump years; remember how that works?


    I think the tRumpublicans in the house should impeach him and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt President Biden is innocent and that they are ****ing totally incompetent.
     
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    Apparently not. The Colorado supreme court had no problem punishing trump without a conviction or even an indictment. This is politics, not justice.
     
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    Do you have any post from 2019 echoing your question here?
     

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