What's with these miracle cures?

Based on what? Speaking about your first claim...

 

Makes sense since the efficacy of vaccines wane over time. Read recently that the Moderna vaccine has the longest-lasting efficacy, but it too will wane as time goes on. Won't be long before booster shot mania takes hold.

 

There were reports of OK hospitals overrun with Ivermectin misuse patients.

I suspect that wasn't true. However, there ARE reports of increase calls to poison centers, etc., due to ivermectin.

It only goes to figure that this would happen given the fact that people are going outside of approved medical use.

 

That’s how it works. The mutations happen all the time and in anybody. They get more of a chance to spread in the vaccinated because they become a larger percentage of virus shed.

 

No, vaccines limit nothing and they prevent nothing. They cause the immune system to develop anti bodies. That is all they do. Mutations will be fewer and further between in vaccinated people because the viral load is lower. You have been reading some nonsense science.

 

Evidently you have not heard that the vaccinated can carry the same viral load. We are talking about more virus particles than known stars in the sky. It’s called a swarm.

 

It is all about that war between the development of antibodies and the reproduction of the virus. That war is affected by a lot of things and can go in either direction as we know. But vaccinated people almost always have a lower viral load than unvaccinated people. Even though we have a delta strain with some resistance to the vaccines, this still holds true for those infected with delta. The vaccines clearly reduce the hospitalization and death rates among people infected with delta. Cold hard fact.

 

Well isn't that different tune the your first damning post about Ivermectin

 

A Report ( not plural) that turned out to be completely bogus.

The poison center story was also bogus..

This is why the media lies.. Because even people like you who know better still believe the original story even with they retract it.

 

No. There is no question that specific formulations of ivermectin have been tested for safe use in humans.

What has NOT been tested is whether ivermectin is useful in the prevention or treatment of COVID. I believe there IS such a test in progress - one that the FDA would respect.

The problem with these homeopathic remedies is that they cause people to use them INSTEAD of known solutions.

The result is that actual solutions are delayed, and thus outcomes are going to be worse.

For example, if you take some homeopathic "remedy" thinking it will prevent you from getting COVID, you will be unprotected and won't even know it until you actually have COVID.

 

Sort of like heroin or meth, either are FDA approved and extremely dangerous but

 

Proven effective.

 

Plenty of them have been performed and almost all show it’s effective.

 

I don't believe you have a point to make here.

 

One can find the list of tests of ivermectin.

NO such test has been completed.

What has been pointed to are local experiences only.

NO medicine is approved as effective on that basis. Such testing is just not even slightly good enough.

What it CAN do is suggest that actual serious testing be done.

 

So you don’t like studies. Even the WHO studies showed it’s effectiveness yet they still dismissed it.

 

Please cite that.

So far as I know, WHO has approved ivermectin for use in approved studies of ivermectin effectiveness in preventing or treating COVID. That is, in tests only.

 

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Several studies of ivermectin against Covid have concluded already. Result = no efficacy.

Yes, hydroxychloroquine is a zinc ionophore, but it also increases QTc which is already long in many patients with Covid-19, leading to a rather fatal arrhythmia called Torsade de Pointes. This doesn't tend to happen (although it does happen in a few cases) when HCQ is appropriately used to treat malaria, lupus, and RA, because these conditions don't tend to increase QTc. So, it is safe for those conditions but not safe for Covid-19. Also, it has not shown any efficacy in studies against Covid-19, including when given with zinc. Besides, there are much better and much more harmless zinc ionophores out there, such as quercetin, so there is no place whatsoever for HCQ in the treatment of Covid-19. The studies going on? LOL. It's been abundantly proven by multiple studies, that HCQ has no action WHATSOEVER against the SARS-CoV-2 in vivo (for your information, in vitro and in vivo action are vastly different). Even the guy who first proposed it, Dr. Didier Raoult, has already retracted and said he was wrong and HCQ actually doesn't work against Covid. In what fancy past are you still living, that you suppose that this issue hasn't been settled???

And sure, none of the above causes myocarditis... but one of the drugs you've mentioned above does cause Torsade de Pointes, which can actually be more lethal than many cases of myocarditis.

And if that's your customary jab at the vaccines, do know that only about 16 in one million second doses of the mRNA vaccines have caused myocarditis in people younger than 30 (it doesn't tend to happen in those older than 30), and it tends to be very mild and transient, while the virus itself can cause much more persistent and much more severe myocarditis in up to 30% of people who survive it, including young and healthy people.

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Modernpaladin, I suggest to you 4 years of pre-med, 4 years of medical school, and 4 years of residency training so that your posts about medicine and medications become less misguided and less nonsensical. Do know that you'll have to study a lot, get some significant student debt if you're not independently wealthy, and you'll spend 12 years of your life working very hard including in nights and weekends. But hey, it seems like it's something you like to do (to issue your opinion in medical matters) so at least they'd get more accurate.

Do it! In 12 years, I'll be happy for you to see your posts improving a lot.

Here: since I am so nice and I like to help people, I'll post a nice link for your benefit, to get you started in your quest for attending medical school:

https://students-residents.aamc.org/applying-medical-school/applying-medical-school

 

I didn't expect would be able to make the connection, but you know "hope springs eternal"

 

Ivermectin was developed as a treatment against parasites in humans. It proved to be effective in animals as well and is used in animals more than in humans simply because animals carry more parasites. But let's not get off track. Parasitic worms and ameobae are organisms. They are alive and can be killed by drugs. Viruses are not organisms. A drug that can kill a worm can't kill a virus. It is possible that the drug might reduce the severity of symptoms but it has nothing at all to do with attacking the virus. Only the antibodies can do that.

It can't possibly prevent a covid infection. Even vaccines can't do that. It may treat symptoms like cold medicines but that's about it.

 

Marmalade is awesome as a glaze for grilled pork and chicken, but not as a cure for CV19.

 

The same people who say that they won't be vaccinated because many of the vaccines have not received final FDA approval are the same people who are also suggesting that ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, not FDA approved, be used to treat CV19. They would've also been avid consumers of snake oil.

 

Fully agreed; just, to make it clearer, ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine are FDA-approved medications; just, not FDA-approved for Covid-19. They most definitely, according to randomized controlled trials with sound methodoloy, do not work for Covid-19.

So, yes, it is mind-boggling that people won't prefer a fully FDA-approved vaccine such as the Pfizer one, over two drugs that the FDA does not approve - and actually recommends against - for Covid-19.

 

We don't know that. We know drugs can't fight a virus but they can treat symptoms. The drugs you mention could very well reduce the severity of symptoms and there is some evidence that they do. I think the confusion comes from the fact that these two drugs are designed to stop parasitic life forms. Of course that doesn't mean they can deal with a non life form like a virus. The best way to deal with the virus itself is a vaccine which helps the immune system do its job.

 

The fact that they might be anti-inflammatories does not mean that they "treat CV19" any better than any of the multitudes of anti-inflammatories out there.