When Dawkins says its "child abuse" to raise a child Catholic...

On that basis there is no evidence that god exists but you are welcome to introduce it.

I think that at least 5 years ago Astronomers have proved that black holes exist

 

Dawkins is an idiot. But what he said was exactly that - said. He can say whatever he wants and simply because a well known scientist makes a stupid remark shouldnt make religious people feel "persecution" and the source of what has "made our civilization possible" is under threat - that is a massive overreaction. I doubt you cared much when Dawkins took various jabs at Muslims generally in various bigoted statements. My point is, we can all see your agenda here Blackrook is to attack Dawkins for insulting Catholics - not some noble defence of freedom. For some people, it can indeed be abusive growing up as Catholic, but I disagree with Dawkins' generalization.

 

I don’t want to waste my time if all you will accept is direct physical evidence. That would be a double standard.

There is no direct evidence for black holes (see bold red in discriptive paragraph or access site), however the science establishment (and I as an amateur astronomer, its my hobby) think that they exist is a near fact. The same goes for many objects that theoretically exist according to 'science' which seems to suggest the objects are real, not theoretical even though no direct empirical evidence exists. Did I already say that about a zillion times lol?

Compelling evidence of black holes | Harvard Magazine May-Jun ...
harvardmagazine.com/2001/05/the-cosmic-antipode-html - Cached
Because no empirical evidence for black holes exists—in fact, by definition, no
direct evidence can exist—some theoretical physicists argue there are no black ...

http://harvardmagazine.com/2001/05/the-cosmic-antipode-html

thanks for your reply Sab


reva

 

Double standard of what?

 

Oh no.

reva

 

You cant answer the question?

 

Members demanding direct empirical evidence for the existence of God and not requiring the same type of evidence for other things that may or may not exist by the authority they hold as fairly reasonable ie science.

reva

 

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reva

 

Fair enough. What about people who do require the same type of evidene for other things? What do you say to them when they ask for proof of God?

 

Are you sure you want to continue with your lies and distortion about the Bible? Have I not rebuke you enough. Just to remind you you have not even come clean with your lies and claims post 454 "Christians baggage will be heavy" when clearly the Bible said no such thing. This is what being stubborn, denial is all about.

 

Scientist relay on faith very strongly it is through FAITH that they were able to succeed in making great discoveries with out faith great we will have no Graham Bell, Newton, Einstein, Benjamin Franklen, Marie Curie and Pierre Curie, Alexander Fleming etc or Bill Gates or Steve Jobbs etc.

And kids are inspired through faith to one day be able to explore and colonize the outer space, or be great football players or one day be become the next Steve Jobbs their faith to seek out where no man has ever tried or done before and all of these great talents is only made possible because of God's greatest gift to humans the gift of INTELLIGENCE.

Uhm??? sound very familiar AVOID isn't that your trait?

 

Then you should be ashamed of yourself then in which it is very clear that anti Christians have no shame they will hide behind their lies and distortions what ever it takes that is why we Christians need not be afraid and should defend Christ what ever it takes for truth will always prevail!

 

Even if God did exist, why should anyone care?

 

Sweety, the good Reverend is going to need more help than you could provide to dig him out of the hole he has dug for himself. He doesn't need a guy that, on the same thread, everyone who followed the previous discussion between us found you to be completely unhinged and dishonest.
Everyone.
As an example of this, most of the great minds you mentioned were not Christians. Bell, Einstein (see my signature), "Franklen"[sic], Gates and Jobs are examples of non-Christians.
You are the gift that keeps on giving.

 

Why should I feel shame for what "anti christians" might say or do? I feel no shame about
football players who take steroids, either.

You are clearly labeling me as anti christian, of course, which is just something you made up.
Identifying nonsensical ideas held by some nominal christians on matters of science is not being anti christian. The ones spreading falsehoods in the name of that religion are acting as
anti christians. Count yourself in that group.

As fir "lies and distortions" such as you may imply come from me, you cant identify any.

I said it was shameful for anyone to side with you on things you made up, and it is.
Does it ever bother you that you make things up?
Who is it that is said to be the Father of Lies? You sure you know what side you are on?

 

Give me whatever you have. I have a degree in Philosophy as well as History and ill listen to your argument as long as there are no rhetorical tricks however if they are arguments disgned to impress rednecks then it isn;t worth your while howevr if they are based on rational logival thought and not on 'the bible'then I would love to hear them

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...ns-black-holes-do-exist-claim-scientists.html

The date is important here. Your link is from 2001. Things have moved on a great deal. However this does not invalidate your reasoning since deductive reasoning established black holes before we had proof. If you have deductive reasoning about the existence of god please tell me.

 

I was noticing the same thing. The fundamentalists tend to be from the lower rungs of the socio-economic ladder. Lower IQ, lower education level.

Why shining Truths like that evolution is all a fraud and the world is really only 6000 yrs old
dont appeal to them Ivory Tower Eggheads is a bit of a mystery, no?

 

You might be best advised to research better before backing up your arguments like this. The Curies were both atheists. Einstein was a deist at best, Bill Gates is an agnostic, and Steve Jobs converted to Zen Buddhism. Graham Bell on paper seemed to be religious but actually he called himself agnostic. The only two who believed in a personal god were Newton and Franklin, and they weren't exactly posterboys for the faith.

 

Franklin, too, was a deist.

 

You have already fallen for one of his tricks.
He couldn't face a previous argument that was directly related to the OP so now he has derailed the thread to avoid it. Read the last few pages and tell me what you think.
The new discussion has nothing to do with the indoctrination of children.
He also accused me of saying Christianity is immoral, which was simply a bold faced lie.
Your discussion with him will not be a fair fight, as you are a bright guy, but don't let him take the thread down the rabbit hole.

 

You mean faith is only for the religious people?? Those great scientist were able to discover what they discover because they have FAITH and for some who converted to a religion they realized that indeed there exist a Supreme Being a God for those who remain atheist or none believer continue to have faith that they can make more discoveries. Are you saying that you do not have faith that there is no God?

 

Because if God does exist then that mean there is life after death this mean there is Heaven and Hell but most of all this mean that there is eternal damnation and eternal happiness.

 

You are so obsess with companionship why you can't stand on your own?
Again, atheist too have faith it is their faith that allow those great scientist to discover what they discover without faith they'll just be star gazing, and do nothing.
Your anti Christian is blinding you to much, for you faith is only for Christians. Proof to me that faith is only for Christians or else you need to apologize for lying again.

 

Faith has two meanings, one mundane and one religious. Being a religious forum, the latter seems the meaning which is relevant and non-trivial. If you want to be irrelevant and trivial, though, just say so.