When Dawkins says its "child abuse" to raise a child Catholic...

As yet unknown. That still doesn't allow you to insert a God as a place-holder until we do.

 

Did you even read my post?

No, you didn't. Let's try again.

The problem is that if there was no god, either the universe would either still be tuned in the same way, or we wouldn't be there to observe it. In other words, there is absolutely no circumstance, god or no god, wherein we would not observe the universe as "fine-tuned" - thus it's a pointless argument, as the result is the same with or without a god.

Cite?

Cite? Also, how do you come from "scientifically unknown" to "Abrahamic God"?

 

Time had a beginning.. Scientific evidence supports that past-eternal is nonexistent.

No cite needed for the universe coming into existence via some unknown phenomena because science hasn't found the phenomena..

 

Discussion:

Islam didn't sign the Peace Treaty.

 

Go figure. Are you saying that the State should determine what parents should teach their children?

 

Don't get mad, just assume that the poster is totally ignorant of the function of a DISCUSSION forum.

 

I'm not sure what past-eternal means, can you explain it to me?

No, I was asking for a cite that the universe came into existence. After all, we have no observed cases of anything ever coming into existence, let alone an entire universe.

 

That depends an awful lot on what the parents want to "teach" their child, since the child has to assume the responsibilities of an adult some time. We certainly don't want the nations children growing up to be flaming socialists expecting that everyone else owes him something. Nor do we want them believing that "honor killings" are an acceptable cultural practice. And it would be really nice if we could stop the ritual sexual mutilation performed by the world's religions, too.

Should the schools not teach all students evolution, because some religious kooks "don't believe", even though evolution is a proven process and a theory that supports one half of the biological sciences?

What about cosmology? That science is fairly mature now, reasonable people don't argue with the basic premises.

Now, the state has no business teaching what it believes is "proper sexual behavior". That kind of morality indoctrination is most bodaciously NOT the responsibility of schools. It's why children were given parents.

 

Your first and last paragraph are diametrically opposed. Hard to tell what your sentiment is.

 

Time had a beginning. Time is not eternal in the past

General relativity. Using general relativity, the history of the universe can be mapped back to its beginning resulting in the conclusion that space, matter, energy and time began to exist.

General relativity is the the most tested theory in science, because the scientific community spent decades trying to disprove it. Some would go so far as to say that their efforts to disprove it were because of the fact that it says the universe began, thus there is a Creator. Big Bang Cosmology has replaced the stead-state(eternal universe) theory which was championed by atheists and naturalists because it needed no causal agent. In the Soviet Union, the Big Bang was outlawed because of it's implications of a Creator and it contradicted their materialistic beliefs http://books.google.com/books?id=9h...ook_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA

A recent experiment affirming the theory: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130425142250.htm

 

Are you referring to circumcision, clitorectomy, or both?

The theory of evolution does not meet the criteria of the scientific method. It is not observable or testable. Also, there are no transitional forms. It is a theory based on assumptions.

 

The Biblical account of creation and other Biblical references predicted what science is now discovering: a beginning, the universe expanding, constant laws of physics, and entropy.

But I would argue that the biggest evidence for the Abrahamic God of the Bible is the empty tomb. All the Romans had to do was keep the body and there would be no Christianity. The Romans placed soldiers to guard the tomb, and the body "disappeared" ..

 

No, I'm not. I'm saying the natural state of children is atheist, until parents indoctrinate them.

 

Of course its psychological child abuse to tell young children they are going to be tortured forever in a place called hell if they are bad, and the meaning of bad is based on a fictional being.

I would be arrested and thrown in jail, if I started teaching young children they would totured for eternity in a place called hell if they were bad, based on what fictional fairies told me in the bottom of my garden.

Childern have been psychologically abused by this bastard religion for centuries, and its time it was stopped.

 

Good grieve. Is this man stupid. How was he able able to get the Nobel price by confusing psychological qualities with the 'selfishness' of dead matter? Whatever - I did educate my children as protestants on religious jewish reasons for example - and I am a Catholic. I would say: Catholics will always try to educate a child in harmony with the own roots. If people are adopting a child of a tibetan Buddhist for example then the people I know would try to care to educate the child with our catholic consequence, discipline, love and joy - but always also with as broad roots as possible to the own culture and traditions. As long as we are responsible we will do the very best what we can do for our children - adopted or not. And in general: How abstruse grew the use of the word "abuse" meanwhile? What is going on with the unbelieavable high "intellect" of him? Is his intellect high enough to be able to produce hate messages like "Catholics are evil" or "Muslims are evil" because we educate our children on our own without his help - specially not if he's always wearing a sword against all other believers on reasons like "how to fill my money bag?"? By the way: Has he children? How they are? Paranoid?

[video=youtube;B8WHKRzkCOY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8WHKRzkCOY[/video]

 

No, you quite clearly have decided that you deliberately intend not to get it. I understand now.

 

Sure the world would be a better place if you would indoctrinate them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuUBCF3KKxc

 

He is serios. Example: If a scienist uses a formula with pi=3,141592654... then he could not use it to find out what was going on in our big bang in the very first milliseconds of the universe. Not everything evolves. Some things existed since ever (the structure "circle" for example) some things were created (all energy of the universe for example) and some things evolved (trees and hands for example).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYyJuOPc6PQ

 

I think if the church can survive the child molestation scandal (where they attacked the victims and protected the molesters), they can surely survive one man's comments about them

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The chinese commies destroyed all temples of the own people on what other reason than the belief in a militant atheism?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIx-VmVf5ps

 

yes it is, why do you think bacteria evolve to be persistent to medication?

evolution is fact, but how we evolved over time is theory

 

Please: A bishop here in Germany had to resign some years ago because he said that he once gave a child - decades ago - a slap in the face. The people left in masses the catholic church in his diocese because he was called child molestor from all media. If any Christian makes anything wrong in this world then the media will be always full of messages like "Stop all Christians - they are criminals". The christian church will not survive the continous stream of antichristian propaganda in all public media worldwide. The human beings who are killed in their mothers say very clear what will happen: The human race doesn't like to follow any longer the most simple natural and spiritual laws. But not only this: While nearly all discsusion about chidl moestors and celebacy are dominated from absolutelly superfous nonsense, denies the catholic church itselve (the unholy pope John Paul II in this case) the always existing natural human right for women to become priests. The moment god calls a woman to be a priest the catholic chruch has to accept this - but she is still not ready to hear the call. God is patient - but the realities of the world are not patient.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0JiEglvJic

 

Thank you for defining the term.

I'm not sure about this. Granted, I'm no physics student, but are you sure it can't simply be mapped back to the big bang?

Some would be bizarrely paranoid with little to no understanding of the relationship between science, rationalism, and atheism. Meanwhile, on the other side of the coin, the big bang theory is a constant punching bag for creationists.

The bible references and predicts a lot of things. It is highly non-specific, however, and unless you twist the words to mean what they don't, you often end up with statements that directly run against what we know about the world. I would be more specific, but I don't know which passages you're referring to.

The empty tomb? I'm not entirely sure what you're talking about, whether or not it meant what you think it meant.

 

What utter nonsense. I was brought up as a Catholic in Britain and it was never ever an issue in any way whatsover. No one is the least bit frightened of persecution because of Dawkins.

 

Which are not sexual mutilations?

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

Your understanding of the scientific method does not satisfy the scientific method.

Evolution is observable, it's testable, and there are transitional forms. From eo hippus we have the horse, the donkey, and the zebra as three distinct species today.

Do an experiment. Take four dogs. Male and female each of chihuahua and Great Dane. Put two breeding pairs in separate cages, so that the male of one species will be available to breed with the female of the other.

Can male chihuahua's fly? No. The female Great Dane will not be impregnated. The Mayor suspects the female will kill the damn yapping thing annoying her.

Can female chihuahua's receive a Great Dane penis, and live? Even if female chihuahua's could fly, they could not. Could a femal chihuahua bring to term a litter of mixed breed pups sired by a Great Dane? No, that's where the term "Chihuahua Explosion" comes from.

So the two races are mutually infertile, thereby satisfying the definition of being seperate species.

No. Evolution of species by natural selection is a science as well established as chemistry, genetics, quantum mechanice and celestial mechanics. The argument that there's no "intermediary forms" is absolute bull(*)(*)(*)(*)....EVERY species is an intermediate form for the next one.