When will peace come ?

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  1. MGB ROADSTER

    MGB ROADSTER Banned

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    Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate the Israelis.
    Golda meir.
     
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    Beside this fact...

    ARAB-ISRAEL CONFLICT - FORGOTTEN FACTS! (MUST READ!)


    ~by Steven Shamrak

    Provided by the Freeman Center for Strategic Studies

    http://www.freeman.org/

    The term "Palestinian" is itself a masterful twisting of history. To portray themselves as indigenous, Arab settlers adopted the name of an ancient Mediterranean tribe, the Philistines ("Invaders" in Hebrew), who had died out over 2,500 years ago. There is no connection between this tribe and modern day Arabs. [Note: Just as there is no connection between today's Egyptians -- descendents of Arabs who invaded the area in the 7th century C.E. -- and ancient Egyptians -- the ones with the pyramids. DY] The Romans, in order to conceal their shame and anger with rebellious regions, changed the references to Judea and Samaria by naming them 'Palestine'. Most Arabs had settled in Palestine after Jews started developing agriculture and industries approximately 100 years ago. [Note: Even today, there are many more recently settled (after 1967) Arab villages -- and most of these Arabs moved there from countries other than Israel -- than Jewish neighborhoods in Judea/Samaria (aka "West Bank"). DY]


    1. Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., almost two thousand years before the rise of Islam.

    2. Since 1272 B.C.E. the Jews have had a dominion over the land for at least 1,000 years as well as a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.

    3. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than 22 years.

    4. King David made the city of Jerusalem his capital, Mohammed had never been to Jerusalem.

    5. For 3,000 years, Jerusalem has been known to be the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. When the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital and Arab leaders did not specifically come to visit there.

    6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in the Tanach (Jewish Holy Scriptures). Jerusalem is never mentioned in the Koran.

    7. Jews pray facing Jerusalem wherever in the world they may be. Muslims pray facing Mecca (often with their backs toward Jerusalem).

    8. In 1854, according to a report in the New York Tribune, Jews constituted two-thirds of the population of the holy city. (The source: A journalist on assignment to the Middle East that year for the Tribune. His name was Karl Marx. Yes, that Karl Marx.)

    9. In 1867, Mark Twain took a tour of Palestine and described that land: "A desolate country whose soil is rich enough but is given over wholly to weeds. It is a silent and mournful expanse. We never saw a human."

    10. In 1882 census figures of the Ottoman Empire, it was recorded that in the entire land of Israel, there were only 141,000 Muslims, both Arab and non-Arab.

    11. A travel guide to Palestine and Syria, published in 1906 by Karl Baedeker, estimated that the total population of Jerusalem was 60,000, of whom 7,000 were Muslims, 13,000 were Christians, and 40,000 were Jews.

    12. After Zionist Jews came, drained the swamps, and made the deserts blossom Arabs followed them. They came for jobs, for prosperity, and for freedom. Arabs arrived in large numbers.

    13. In 1922, during the illegal separation of Transjordan, Jews were forbidden to settle on 77% of the disputed territory, while Arab settlements went unrestricted by British.

    14. Prior to the Second World War, Mojli Amin, a member of the Arab Defense Committee for Palestine, proposed the following idea "All the Arabs of Palestine will leave and be settled amongst the neighboring Arab countries. In exchange for this, all the Jews living in Arab countries will leave and come and live in Palestine."

    15. Did you know that Saudi Arabia was not established until 1913? Lebanon was not established until 1920. Iraq did not exist as a nation until 1932 and Syria until 1941. The borders of Jordan were established in 1946 and those of Kuwait in 1961. Any of the aforementioned nations that say that Israel is only a recent arrival would have to deny their own right of existence. They did not exist as fully-fledged countries, but were all under the control of the Turks. Over 80% of the original British Mandate land was given to the Arabs without any form of population transfer.

    16. In 1947, the Jewish state settled on 18% of the original British Mandate land. This was accepted gratefully. The Arabs rejected it with a vengeance and seven Arab states immediately declared war against Israel.

    17. In 1948, the Arabs were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Most of them left in fear of being killed by their own Arab brothers as traitors.

    18. Jewish citizens of Arab countries had been forced to flee from Arab brutality, persecution, and pogroms.

    19. The number of Arabs who left Israel in 1948 was 470,000 (this figure was later inflated after UN offered them free help). The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.

    20. From 1948 to 1967 Arabs made no attempt to create a Palestinian state. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated. Jews and Christians were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.

    21. Arabs began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people only in 1967, after Israel captured Judea, Samaria, and Gaza.

    22. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, Arab-Palestinians are the only refugee group in the world that have never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands. Jewish refugees from all over were completely absorbed into the land of Israel.

    23. Arab refugees intentionally were not absorbed or integrated by the rich Arab oil states that control 99.9 percent of the Middle East land mass. They are kept as virtual prisoners by the Arab power brokers with misplaced hatred for Jews and Western democracy.


    24. There is only one Jewish state. There are 57 Muslim countries, including 22 Arab ones.

    25. The PLO's Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. [Note: Their most recent "Constitution" for the proposed "State of Palestine" has glaring omissions -- Israel is not named at all on its borders and there is no mention of a Jewish population anywhere in the document. DY]

    26. Pan-Arabism or the idea of an Arab Caliphate declares that all land that supposedly to belonged to Arabs, must be returned to Arabs.
    ARAB-ISRAEL CONFLICT - FORGOTTEN FACTS!
     
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    Near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley was shown that a peace deal would be reached between Jordan and Israel.


    My guess as to what new colour the nation of Jordan would be turning would be green as greater amounts of ocean water are desalination to increase agriculture even in desert areas.
     
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    Also.......... when "conservatives" begin to take the threat of rising ocean levels seriously there will be increased pressure on political leaders to do something to protect land that is especially vulnerable.


    http://www.christianforums.com/t7829264/



    Pray that P. M. Stephen Harper initiate a peace deal between Jordan and Israel?

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    I am a member of a different Canadian political party but……… I have to admit that P. M. Stephen Harper is for good reason regarded as a rather "Davidic" figure by a high percentage of Israelis.

    What he did for Israel back in 2011 at the G-8 was one of the most courageous and wise acts by a political leader that I have seen since I began to watch world events back in the '70's!






    It is also interesting that there are 143,000 acres of productive farmland along the Bay of Fundy between Nova Scotia and New Brunswick that is protected by dikes.

    This land may be the most vulnerable in the world to the threat of rising ocean levels because the Fundy has a funnelling effect on tidal waters.

    In my part of Nova Scotia the difference beteen low tide to high tide is only about one meter but along parts of the Fay of Fundy, especially near Truro and Moncton…. the difference can be between FIFTEEN TO SEVENTEEN METERS! The Bay of Fundy has the highest tides in the entire world.

    Would a one foot (30 cm) rise in average ocean levels lead to a 4.5 meter rise in high tide levels along parts of the Bay of Fundy? 30 cm x 15 = 450 cm/4.5 meters/13 feet.


    A New Mexico biologist has a response to climate change that may agree with what predicted by Isaiah…. and his theory has major advantages over a carbon tax or cap and trade system!

    P. M. Stephen Harper could be extremely interested in assisting with a peace initiative between Jordan and Israel that focused on turning the deserts of Jordan green…….. because every cubic meter of ocean water that was desalinated and added to the water table of Jordan….. would not end up on top of those 143,000 acres along the Bay of Fundy!

    As you can see from this website…. this type of solution is possible…...

    Jordan

    http://saharaforestproject.com/projects/jordan.html
     

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