When you can't explain this, how can you explain climate?

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Take a good look at the photo. I had planned to ask who knows how much water is in Earth's atmosphere just in case any here know the answer so this photo goes along with that question.

    Things you can't measure can't be useful to predict. Can it? I do not see how we know the history of clouds covering Earth and have yet to find a site that knows this.
    So at the least this photo is remarkable. Do you agree?

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    It really is quite easy to understand.

    X axis = temperature
    Y axis = h2o in atmosphere


    First point earth with max surface temp 30F = no moisture in atmosphere
    Second point = today
    Third point = Jurassic = warmer and wetter
    Final point = earth with min surface temp 220F = all h2o in atmosphere


    The funny thing about claiming the Syrian civil war was about global warming.... A warmer earth is a wetter earth, and the fight was over a prolonged drought....duh....

    Those claiming global warming causes droughts and fires = unimaginably idiotic science invalids
     
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    Photoshop?
    Robert if you want answers give a link to where you got this to start with. There are actually societies out there dedicated to studying and naming cloud formations
     
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    The unimaginably idiotic science invalids are the ones who think that climate changes affect everywhere the same way.
     
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    Even more idiotic are those who do not understand the difference between weather and climate....

    But atmospheric h2o, that is pretty darn simple.

    Why did dinosaurs have feathers? Did the t-Rex fly? No. But during warmer and wetter Jurassic, not only was surface pressure 50% greater than today, but the atmosphere was filled, packed with warm h2o.... It was raining all the time. If you saw Jurassic earth from space you would just see clouds. The feathers were about water, wind, and air pressure.

    When there is more h2o in the atmosphere, which happens when earth warms, there is exponentially more rain. To say "global warming" causes droughts and fires is to confess to a state of science invalidity by getting everything totally wrong....
     
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    Clouds don't form and move on their own. They move according to air currents. Air currents are affected by temperature and geography. So even if there is more water in the atmosphere, it doesn't mean it rains a lot EVERYWHERE. The rains will go with the clouds and the clouds move according to the jet streams and the jet streams move according to temperature and geography.
     
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    This is a blur of weather and climate. Would the Sahara still be dry with twice the h2o in the atmosphere? Too bad we cannot test that, but I would bet on NO. Increase the h2o in the atmosphere and areas like the Sahara would get more rain. Increase clouds and cloud density and clouds start showing up where they are sparse now.
     
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    Maybe.

    Scales handle water very well.
     
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    Scientists who DO have information project that the Pacific Northwest will be getting wetter and the US Southwest is expected to have increasing drought events.

    Can you cite a science source behind your projections for the Sahara?
     
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    Looks like your "image" expired along with you.
     
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    The unimaginably stupid take of your heroes is that global warming causes both droughts and floods. Wrong. It does one or the other. It does so by increasing or decreasing atmospheric h2o.... Duh.

    Clue... How much flooding would there be if all h2o was ice....


    Answer - I'm parroting a climate "scientist" who says global warming causes ice ages....
     
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    You assume the Sahara is dry because there's just not enough water to go around, yet other places on the planet are wet wet wet. Metaphorically speaking, it's a similar situation as human beings have with food. We have more than enough food to feed the world, it just isn't distributed to the entire world. Same with the water. The jet streams don't cover the entire Earth. They move according to temperature and geography. That means some places get high water distribution, and some get little to none. The only difference between this and the human food situation is that climate is not intentional.
     
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    This idea that rainfall will increase everywhere due to the climate change projected is not what science is saying.

    I'm really curious what your sources are for what you are saying.

    Please cite something.
     
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    Your definition of "science" is parroting CNN....
     
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    Going for cheap thrills again?

    On this topic, I cite NOAA, NASA, IPCC and others.
     
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    NASA documents that 90% of earth ice on Antarctica has been growing during the whole co2 fraud...


    Search for

    NASA antarctic ice growing


    DATA MATTERS
     
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    Wrong it can cause both

    See? I can make unsupported statements too
     
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    More h2o in the atmosphere causes droughts and fires... Nice....

    Some might actually believe it causes more rain ... And snow....and clouds... And humidity...
     
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    Not how it works

    YOU want to prove a point YOU a post links
    https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/265/video-antarctic-ice-mass-loss-2002-2020/
     
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    That is because the H2O is not evenly distributed :roll:

    Have you ever even checked out ONE real source?

    http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/change/#tabs=Tracker&tracker=timeseries
     
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    Your side has a mountain of taxpayer funded fudge.

    The raw data had never supported the co2 theory.

    One of the biggest most obvious hoaxes which we, the American taxpayer, are about to get soaked again for is the "sinking island" issue. Your side has three sinking island chains in the South Pacific - Marshall Islands, Solomon Islands, and another by New Guinea. Nothing else on earth is sinking. Funny, rising sea levels should sink everything....

    Search for

    CNN Marshall Islands disappearing


    The Marshall Islands are suing for "climate damages" because their islands are sinking. Funny, so should Martha's Vineyard, but Martha's Vineyard isn't sinking...

    Why are the Marshall Islands sinking?

    They are approaching the tectonic formation known as the pacific ring of fire. They are attached to a tectonic plate that is going down. In three million years, the Marshall Islands will be under the earth's crust.

    The level of idiocy required to fall for that is IQ under 5.
     
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    Errrrr

    okay you got me - I really really really do not know how to address a knowledge deficit this profound. And life is too short to teach try to teach climate science 101 ( humidity is variable)

    Get back to me when you have learnt some basics
     
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    Lesson #1 = increase h2o in atmosphere and you get more humidity, more clouds, and more rain across the planet

    The claim that increasing atmospheric h2o, which happens as earth warms, causes droughts and fires is the level of absolute idiocy it requires to keep parroting the same liars....
     

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