Where are Donald's Tax Returns?

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    Non response, of course.

    No candidate is prevented from releasing anything your point being what? How many release their tax filings before they are accepted as final by the IRS?

    How many candidates "come clean" and release their tax filings before they are accept as final hy the IRS?
     
  2. Vegas giants

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    He is supposed to give his tax return.....like every other candidate. He is not special
     
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    You may not like it, but it is a direct and precise response. Should he "score points" for providing his tax returns for the public to assess as other presidential candidates have done? Yes, to the same extent that they all have "scored points."

    You can believe that the IRS is auditing Trump's current tax returns because he is a "strong Chrisitian" if you wish. The IRS has not indicated that it is conducting an audit for that reason or any other, but do you also believe that it is harrassing the "strong Christian" by auditing all his past returns as well? Wow.

    Of course, Nixon started the tradition by releasing his tax returns while he was under audit (As paranoid as he may have been, he did not claim that the IRS had targeted him because he was a "strong Christian.")



    Hated by judges, persecuted by the IRS, the GOP conducting a "fixed" primary process against him! This character could have been a candidate to be canonized for sainthood as a martyr - if he hadn't gotten nasty with the Pope.


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  4. Bluesguy

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    None of them are "supposed" to it is entirely voluntary, what law says they are "supposed" to? They file a financial disclosure form which tells you far more than a tax return will tell you.
     
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    The disclosure does not tell us more than his tax forms. That is simply false. Showing his tax return is voluntary....so is voting for him. If he has something to hide let him continue to do it as a civilian....because the closest he will get to the Whitehouse is the tour group.
     
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    Score what points, most don't really care and couldn't make heads or tails of his tax returns anyway.

    What on earth are you talking about? What is the premise of your claim it is about his religion?

    IRS is focusing on people making more than $1 million


    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/irs-focuses-its-audits-more-on-1-million-incomes-2016-02-22
    One person does not a tradition make and he was facing allegations of criminal activity, remember his "I'm not crock" speech, in the press and released them as evidence otherwise while they went through a minor audit.
     
  7. Bluesguy

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    Yes it shows far more than is tax return will show, you have yet to come up with anything in the tax returns other than his charitable contributions but then that can be found in the public records of the charities and then of course if he does give a lot to charity then the left will attack him for trying to lower his effective tax rate by donating to charities.

    If you can't win either way why play the game?
     
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    I can see why it might be taking the auditors a while. They have a tough job. Is the money made by "cheating contractors" considered operating income? Or capital gains? Or is it an offset to expenses? And how about the legal expenses involved in cheating contractors? Where da fuk do those entries go? The forms just aren't long enough.
     
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    Because everyone else plays the game. If you don't like the game take your ball and go home. And we are happy to send Trump home.
     
  10. Bluesguy

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    Yes it is, like his financial disclosure from, a HUGE return and will take time to go over it.
    How would a tax return show "cheating contractors"?
    What about them? I am sure he pays the top rate on capital gains.
    Expenses offset income.

    If he has to go to court because of cheating contractors in order to stop them from cheating him those are business expenses he can write off.
     
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    Man....what he is hiding must be truly awful to go to these lengths.
     
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    Romney did and look what happened, he donated HUGE amounts to charity the one year and his effective rate was lowered to 14%, and he didn't even claim all his contributions, and was he praised because of how much he gave to charity? Nope the left attacked him on the 14% resulting effective rate. Had he not made those contributions and paid a higher effective rate then he would have been attacked for not donating to charity.

    Reasonable people not bent of being partisan see the difference and why we should simply stop the practice and then expand the FEC financial disclosure forms which show their holdings and actual net worth which the tax returns do not.

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    What lengths, it's not his fault the tax system and tax laws are so complicated it takes this long to audit his return let alone what he must have to pay to his tax attorneys and accountants to put it together in the first place, or do you think he goes home one night and opens his TurboTax program and 30 minutes later he is done.
     
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    Wonder how much underwear he donated to charity like Hillary and Bill did?
     
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    Trump stepped up to the big boy table and now does not like the rules. The rules are show us what EVERY other candidate showed us....or be judged harshly for it. He can always go back to reality tv.

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    We are happy to accept whatever he turned in in good faith
     
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    Those were MY questions and my reason for saying the auditors have a tough job.

    C'mon, man, Trump has shown a pattern of cheating his contractors and subs. 3000 suites in 10 years???? The man's a thief.
     
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    If you don't know what you meant when you introduced the matter of "scoring points" I doubt that I can help you. ("And that he should score points for doing so?" - Your Post #698.)

    If you actually evoke his taxes being complicated as an excuse for hiding them, that's quite amusing.

    That would be Trump suggesting that the IRS may, allegedly, be auditing him because of his alleged religion, that it is because he is a self-proclaimed "strong Christian."



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    How are you going to find that in a TAX RETURN? You want, they would have to auditing the invoicing and AP at Trump Organization not his tax return. You guys don't even know what you are looking for in the tax return, first his net worth which isn't in there and now his billing of contractors.
     
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    Yes trying figure out this claim of yours, I don't think it would score him points because I don't think his supporters care a twit and whether he gives a lot which would lower his tax rate like with Romney you guys will complain about that, it he doesn't you guys will complain about that.

    Where did I do that? Where have I said he is hiding them. If you evoke that his taxes being as complicated as they are should have nothing to with how long an audit would take so you are complaining about it taking so long well that is even more amusing.

    Maybe, I don't know, maybe something else, maybe because.................ROFL He doesn't know he's guessing not asserting. Learn the difference.
     
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    What his taxes will show is that he is not rich. That he is in hock up to his eyeballs to the big banks. And that his claim that he is beholden to no one is total nonsense. And there goes the claim that he will care for the little man and make America great again.
     
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    So Why do think he is afraid to release his taxes? And lets not pretend he is standing on hs principles because it is obvious from his record of lying that he has none.
     
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    Show us the 'rule'. How about the 'rule' showing us school transcripts?
     
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    If the show business celebrity calculates that he must continue to hide his tax returns from public scrutiny, folks like Romney will probably continue to demand he come clean and his fanatics will continue to squirm and contrive excuses for his concealing them.

    His refusal may, given so many other serious concerns about Trump, be the least of the GOP's worries.

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    He has no tax return until it is accepted by the IRS as complete and accurate..............you just can't get around that fact.......so he does not have one to hide. And this is ALL on the IRS timetable. His succumbing to your demands he release it so you can try for some gotcha moment would be foolish on his part and against the advice of the several tax attorneys and accountants I have cited.
     
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    He does not have one to hide? Are you saying he is UNABLE to release what he gave to the IRS? Because that is a lie. I don't want his completed return that has been verified by the IRS right now. I want what he turned in. And my reason....because I do and I vote.
     
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    Of course, there is no credible reason fro him to refuse to come clean other than he fears open disclosure would hurt his presidential ambition.

    If he wishes to pretend that he must wait to see whether the IRS finds his current return fraudulent, that is not an excuse for hiding past returns from the public.

    If he persists in concealing his records, he invites speculation. Whether that speculation or the truth is more damaging will determine his calculus.

     

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