Where in the Constitution does it say the Fed gov should provide health care.

RodB, you may yell all you want.

But the fact of the matter is that what you want won't happen.

 

You might be correct. I want the restoration of the constitutional republic that our founders and framers gave us. It is still up in the air and uncertain, but I give my want slightly less than 50% chance of success,

 

Correct. The voters will never support any existing program or benefit unless it is offered a clearly better deal.

 

Find a time machine to transport you to 1789.

Americans today would never submit to the Republic of 1789.

 

Uh, wtf? General welfare is not an enumerated power.

 

does not matter, does it?

 

And it makes sense that they default on other debts. Because if they default on their medical debts, they feel their treatment might be in jeopardy.

I'm not questioning the data. I'm questioning your interpretation. Fact is that most Americans know somebody who has gone bankrupt because of medical debts. I know several who have gone bankrupt or are (or have been) very close to bankruptcy. And they try to keep healthcare debts to a minimum, at the expense of other debts for obvious reasons. They lose their house, they lose their car... because their priority happens to be not losing their (or their spouse or kids') life.

 

I understand that. The Constitution *does* mention "the general welfare" however. But it then goes on to list out the ways Congress is supposed to do that!

 

The questioning is of the original Warren study which blamed medical bills. Most of these are small bankruptcy by people who had no assets anyway and bankruptcy is just an easy way out of getting rid of debts of which a small part included aome doctor bills.

 

The Tax and Spend clause is about paying for the necessary bills and functions of the federal government and maintaining its "welfare" and assets not welfare of the citizens as we use the term today as a substitute for government subsitance payments.

 

Yes and muskets included in it.

 

I think about 30% are fully in favor of an autocratic single central government and are more than willing to do what they are asked/told in return from somewhat of a protection blanket. This 30% are serious and will feel the same when their desired government actually exists. This centralized federal government appeals to another 30% because they like how it is described. This 30% will be more negative when the autocratic (though still democratic in that elections will be held) government exists, and would want a do-over, though it will be too late for that. The other 40% still believe that the founders and framers were much smarter than the effete elites of today (and of the past, starting with Woodrow Wilson and maybe Teddy Roosevelt) who think they know better. This 40% understands and appreciates the tremendous success that America became precisely because the way its governments were set up and the foundation of natural rights, individual sovereignty and opportunity, and private property rights.
Whether this 40% can prevail will determine the outcome.