Where Is The “Climate Emergency”?

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  1. Jack Hays

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    Another non-problem exposed as an alarmist fake.

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    Case closed. Nothing to see here. Move along. Only idiots would get hung up on such a minuscule effect that we can’t change anyway. . . .
     
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    the droughts and server weather do seem to be getting worse, covid did help some though ironically at pushing the date back

    scientists have some ideas now how to reverse this, and republicans should support them as they think man can't change the climate, so what could go wrong, I mean man changing the climate, that is impossible right



    my guess is the same people saying it's impossible for man to change the climate, will shout these scientists are playing God when they try to reverse it
     
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    They do seem to be getting worse -- but only because all the mainstream media are screaming at you 24-7 that they are getting worse.
    It is quite possible -- indeed, would even be quite easy -- for us to change the earth's climate. It is just not possible for us to do it significantly by emitting CO2 through use of fossil fuels.
    Yeah, problem is, we don't know what Mom Nature has in store for us. If we take real, irreversible steps to cool the earth (which we could) and then the sun naturally enters a cooler phase, our little intervention could trigger an Ice Age that could literally kill billions. How would the anti-fossil-fuel hysteria mongers apologize for that, hhmmmm?
     
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    you sound like a climate alarmist :)
     
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    No I don't, because I am not telling people they have to give up their comfort and safety in obeisance to a false and absurd hypothesis. The truth is, we do not know what causes climate to change or how it will change in the future, so the best and safest course would be to prepare for any climate eventuality as best we can, and pursue options like enhanced energy efficiency, nuclear power, and large-scale hydrological projects that will be helpful in adapting to climate change no matter which way the wind blows.
     
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    sure sounded like a climate alarmist to me

    agree, but will people change, or will we be like bacteria in a petri dish and use up all our resources until the environment is unlivable for us
     
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    Then that's on you.
    We have had resource crunches before. 170 years ago, we had an energy crisis: we were rapidly running out of whales to burn to light our homes, factories and businesses. If not for fossil fuels, most of the world's forests would long ago have been cut down for heating, cooking, and production of steam power. People these days -- largely thanks to anti-fossil-fuel hysteria mongers -- have no sense of perspective.
     
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    yes, but we have 8 billion people now, and finite resources, time will tell
     
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    Henry George refuted all such limits-to-growth nonsense in one sentence: "The man and the jayhawk both eat chickens; but where there are more jayhawks, there are fewer chickens, while where there are more men, there are more chickens."
     
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    oh, earth will survive, we may even survive as a race, just gonna be a lot fewer of us
     
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    That is already happening in a number of countries where contraception is available and the financial cost of raising children is prohibitive. It will probably happen in more and more countries.
     
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    “Our supplies of natural resources are not limited in any economic sense. Nor does past experience give reason to expect natural resources to become more scarce. Rather, if history is any guide, natural resources will progressively become less costly, hence less scarce, and will constitute a smaller proportion of our expenses in future years.”
    ― Julian L. Simon
     
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    that and food shortages from drought, bird flu, etc....
     
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    as more and more people inhabit the earth, resources will be more and more needed, we do have a finite supply
     
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    Nope. Are you familiar with Simon's wager with Paul Ehrlich?
    “Adding more people causes problems. But people are also the means to solve these problems. The main fuel to speed the world’s progress is our stock of knowledge; the brakes are our lack of imagination and unsound social regulations of these activities. The ultimate resource is people—especially skilled, spirited, and hopeful young people endowed with liberty—who will exert their wills and imaginations for their own benefits, and so inevitably they will benefit the rest of us as well.”
    ― Julian L. Simon, The State of Humanity
     
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    unless we get resources from space, we have a finite amount on earth
     
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    Nope. We evolve and our techniques improve. The Stone Age did not end because we ran out of stone.
     
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    Your chart, on the Y axis, should be in minutes instead of years.

    Then it will be nice and leftist scary like.
     
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    Yeah we have the same number of trees we had in 1900 but oil ran out in 1970 as predicted.
     
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    stone is nothing like other natural resources, many of them rarer
     
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    we replant trees, we can't put more oil in the ground

    but even food is a supply issue when you double the population yet again
     
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    We'll be fine.
     
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    we will see, we would not be the first creatures on earth to go extinct
     

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