Where would you guess that homosexuals live?

They want us to indoctrinate our kids. And when they can't get us to do it, they get it into public schools via stealth.

They want us to tell our 4 year olds that they can be anything they want, gay or straight, girl or boy. They want us to actively promote these ideas to our pre-pubescent kids, whether it's needed or not. They tell us this will prevent our kids growing up to be homophobes, and will allow the small number who are gay, to be more comfy. The former is utter nonsense. Indifference is not the same as antipathy, and therefore does not breed negative attitudes. The latter is a case of .. oh well, thems the breaks. There are many things our kids might be that we didn't give tacit encouragement and approval of. We only have so much time and energy, and what there is must go to LIKELIHOODS, not remote possibilities.

 

That is your opinion. It's not my fault I've destroyed your stereotyping.

 

Do you judge heterosexuals as a whole from Mardi Gras? If so you would say they act silly and are drunks. You judge homosexuals from parades? Gimme a break.. Your stereotyping from parades is laughable at best

 

I believe sincerely, that you should not presume you have any business telling me what to do.

Not the issue. The question is whether or not you're actually being offensive intentionally, and whether you'll make any effort to avoid doing so unintentionally.

You've no obligation to respond.

Which is all well and good. What I've explained in response is that some people might think they have good reason to regard you as hostile.

 

And how am I supposed to know your intentions?

The plain fact is you persisted even after being informed that calling us "fringe" could be offensive. Apparently you don't care. Some people live for offending other people and provoking a confrontation. I wouldn't necessarily say you're one of them, but you aren't exactly doing a lot to change my perception of you, either.

No, that would require me to go seeking out reasons to be offended. I don't need to do that, because there's no shortage of people being genuinely offensive.

I explained why that might be offensive to some people. You clarified what you meant, and I stated my thanks for that clarification. Now you want to start that conversation all over again? Why?

When I want your advice about how seriously I should take things, I'll ask for it. I haven't asked.

No idea what you're talking about.

 

Hmm, Interesting how so many critics of Homosexuals like "Uncle Ferd", are often discovered having a Gay old time with under-aged male prostitutes.

 

Whatever.

On the other hand, I've witnessed first hand people's shock when they learn "the gays" are right there among them.

That's the luxury of privilege - never having to think about certain issues. Until they smack you right in the face and you're caught off guard.

No, that isn't shocking to me. My perspective comes from being on the other end of this - where silence does not communicate disinterest, but fear of acknowledgement. Silence doesn't necessarily tell your children that something is a non-issue or that you don't care about it. Silence can also be purposeful avoidance of what's right under your nose. When parents don't know how to talk about an issue - because they think/hope they'll never have to deal with it in their own lives - that can't really be spun as somehow helpful to their children.

 

And the negative stereotyping continues.

Our invisibility is not an asset.

 

1) The quote was a cut and paste from a Gallup article which referred to the Census- and other polls you ignored.
2) No. Do we have some Jews arguing that they are multiplying fast
3) I absolutely agree that Mormons and Jews are such by choice- and represent roughly the same percentage of the U.S. population as American homosexuals. They are roughly equal minority segments of the population.
4) Are Mormons the same? No one is exactly the same.

What do Mormon, Jewish and homosexual Americans all have in common- besides being roughly the same size minority group?

They have all faced various forms of discrimination in the United States based upon how they are identified by others.

What do they not have in common?

You call homosexuals in America a 'fringe' group- but not Jews or Mormons.

 

LOL- you think that if someone marches in a parade that outside the parade they are drama queens?

Images from two different parades in San Francisco- which are which?
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/...KeidPUehZ0ZbxLEspflEt95PA2sUkELb4kx89jG2qfQdA

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/...grrLq7IxQJ7KVM2sCCXplQ3B-616QDGTCIzvZyzn7Td7g

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/...69Gb4eUa6GImJNm_hh8F_aqmnYhswE7zFR5AeS00_uqCn

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/...plf-Er_6xdntSxpe4thgIRzO7rGTDtQEda_kmbaQ52_na

 

I'm guessing in houses or apartments....probably some on boats or cabins in the woods.

 

Look, you got offended

I apologize

 

I was told I am flat wrong that homosexuals can not be spotted.

I tried to learn from actual homosexuals if they can't be spotted, and they allege they do not go after normal men, how then can they meet?

Can't they tell when they meet a homosexual?

 

Gallup did not do a study of Jews or Mormons in that article.

But certainly, Jews and Mormons are also fringe groups.

If one gathers up all Mormons plus all Jews living in the USA, kicked out of the SF Bay Area all non Mormons and Jews, displacing all others with only Mormons or Jews, the population of the SF Bay area would fall by a staggering amount.

We might not have traffic jams.

 

Not exactly offended. Just kind of tired of the over generalization.

We regularly attend both the Pride Parade and the Carnival Parade- and there is lots of skin and flamboyance in both parades- but really they are just plain fun. People participating and attending both parades are there for a fun time- and weather permitting(cold foggy days in those outfits must be tough).

Don't you ever get tired of people telling they know exactly how Mormons are and how Mormons think? Hell I get tired of people telling me that, and I am not Mormon.

 

I agree in general- that is indeed what I have taught my child.

But people- and kids- in particular- can be cruel.

I think it is appropriate as your child grows to address differences as teaching moments so they understand that just because someone is different that that is no excuse for bullying or exclusion.

Most of the education that happens in schools is not in a vaccuum- usually it is a result of some specific instances of abuse.

 

Yes, kids can be cruel. To fat kids, ginger kids, autistic kids, effeminate boys, etc etc etc. It's the nature of childhood to be somewhat mercenary. All we can do is encourage our kids not to be cruel. To focus our energies in on one particular class of 'victim' is absurd, and will do nothing at all to change childhood from it's natural mercenary state. Where does that leave the fat kids, and all the other targets of childhood cruelty?

It's really a no brainer that we teach our kids kindness, and acceptance of difference. That's as obvious as it gets (with respect). I can't imagine any sane parent NOT teaching those things.

Not so. Public high schools in many parts of the world have now built in compulsory curriculum programs aimed purely at LGBT issues. Some of these have content which is highly contentious (overtly sexual and age inappropriate), and may result in huge class action suits launched by parents and child welfare organisations. These programs are rolled out blanket style, and are not in response to any particular incidents. They have been ostensibly implemented in response to the high suicide rate of LGBT teenagers and young adults. However, some of the 'brains' behind these programs have publicly admitted there is a vested interest in social engineering. Some openly suggest that parents aren't doing enough to de-hetero the world.

 

What do you think gay bars are for?

 

Then you must live in a wholly different world from mine, where people voted decisively to ban not only same-sex marriage recognition, but ANY form of recognition for same-sex relationships. That was in 2004. I'm not sure they wouldn't vote the same way all over again if they had the chance here.

None so blind as those who will not see.

gender politics? Has it not occurred to you that those so-called politics affect the lives of millions of people?

And you can just give up on trying to twit me with "school LGBT programs" - I don't support what you called "indoctrination" in your off-topic post in my Brexit thread.

Strawmen arguments and arguing the extremely absurd, all in one go.

You really have no idea how tone deaf this is, do you? Apparently you think we were dropped here by space aliens, too.

 

^ This. Somebody gets it.

 

So on the one hand you think kids should be taught kindness and acceptance of difference, and on the other you don't believe that requires any specific sort of examples, apparently.

My sister was a school teacher, and she could tell you stories that would make your hair stand on end, concerning the cruelty of children whose 'no brainer' parents didn't teach them the first thing about kindness, respect, or acceptance of differences.

Not a fan. There's treating people with respect, and then there's turning the world upside-down, so that people feel like being a cisgender heterosexual is somehow offensive. Have seen that first hand, though at the university level.

 

I've worked with kids for many years (as a sideline to working with the aged and the crazy ), and understand well how awful they can be. It's our job as parents to make them not awful. Making not awful kids doesn't require extraordinary focus on specific 'victims', it requires the modelling of kindness. My kids have grown up around lesbian parents and autistic kids, as primary examples of difference. They don't care about those differences, only that the people themselves are decent humans and good company. All it took was us modelling kindness - to all. WE have lesbian friends, so they don't register those things as shocking or as negatives.

We agree on that last.

 

I live in a progressive and liberal area of a progressive nation. We are the lesbian capital of the country, as it happens. But that doesn't mean everyone here automatically tells their 4 year olds that they can be any gender they want and gay is okay. Many of us are all for equal rights for YOU, but regard it as something that affects YOU, not us. Because, like .. it doesn't. Unless we have a kid who is gay (and none of those with the same ideas as us do, obviously), it's irrelevant. There are far more pressing concerns for teenagers negotiating life, and for the world in general.

 

How about this, nobody has to accept anyone or condone or coddle or patronize LGTB People, however Children need to be taught and learn to keep their hands to themselves, or face Criminal assault charges and jail time.