Where's the Curve? = Big Science's huge FAIL

The official Big Science formula for calculating observable curvature on the earth is =

8 inches x miles squared

So, for the first mile, there's 8 inches of curve supposedly visible. The second mile is calculated like this= 8 inches x 2 x 2 (2 miles squared, or 2 miles times itself)

That means there's 32 alleged inches of curvature visible at 2 miles out.

8 x 3 x 3= 72 inches on the 3rd mile and so on. As you see, with spherical geometry the ball surface's drop off rate increases exponentially the farther out we go. This is not up for debate. This is the OFFICIAL Govt mathematics for calculating earth's supposed curvature.

Now something that's 10 miles away from you, for example is 8x10x10=800, divided by 12 inches to get measurement in feet, and the object 10 miles from you is supposed to be 66.666667 feet BELOW the horizon line visible to the observer.

Do you see 66.6 feet of drop off when you look at an object 10 miles from you?

Nope. Do you see the object 10 miles away from you LEANING AWAY? Nope.

People in Michigan have been taking pictures of the Chicago Skyline from their shores for years. The Chicago skyline is well over 40 miles away from the shores of Michigan, yet it is fully visible on many days of the year. This has been proven NOT to be a mirage, as mirages are blurry and are inverted to the observer. Also, infrared light readings at night from the observation point prove that the skyline people are seeing from Michigan is NOT light refraction. What they are seeing is the actual physical buildings, not refracted or reflected light from them.

Now, the Chicago skyline is actually so far away that the very top of its buildings are mathematically supposed to be entirely obscured by the alleged curvature of the earth, yet are clearly not. At the very least, these buildings should be tilted, leaning away from the observer in Michigan due to the fact that their foundations are laid upon land that is on a distant area of the curving "ball". Instead, we see that they remain 100% perpendicular to one's horizon, at all times, without fail.

Also, we know for a fact that land surveyors DO NOT EVER calculate their measurements for curvature of earth. That's because they don't ever OBSERVE a curve. Eventually, the cities they plan should be required to calculate this element into their Shoot, but this simply DOES NOT EVER occur.

Not one single long range missile or torpedo system employed by ANY military force on earth calculates for curvature, or even Corialis effect for that matter. There is no curve, people.

Before trying to rebutt, PLEASE get out your calculator and do the OFFICIAL GOVT formula= 8inches x miles squared for the distances you plan on bringing into this argument. You will be shut down before you even enter your text. I guarantee this absolute and 100% undeniable fact.

Understand the fact that you are living on a Flat Plane.

 

Bumped, for my readers.

 

Can you give a reference to the formula you refer to? You're not writing it down properly (for instance, what is it that's 8 inches x miles squared? I assume you mean miles of something in particular, what would that be? And so on).

 

Circumference of earth: 25000 miles
Viewing distance: 10 miles
Fraction of earth's circumference to object: 10/25000 = 0.0004
Angle difference: 0.144˚

That difference is not visible 10 miles away, so no, even with the current understanding, you wouldn't expect a visible lean away.

Note: I disregarded the unevenness of the earth which also could contribute.

 

Surveyors do adjust for curvature of the earth. The instruments are designed with that built in.
http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/eng/documents/survey/Chapter3.shtm
See section 3.6.3.4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levelling

I think your ignorance is the main thing that makes you see conspiracy theories. You need to learn the basics of science and how the world works before you spout off nonsense.

 

8 inches of curve per mile times 40 miles is 320 inches, or 26 feet. The mean elevation of Chicago is 594 feet. The elevation of Lake Michigan is 578 feet. that's 16 feet, so you would only miss about 10 feet of skyline. Valid, you need to validate your math.

 

Truly....you have a dizzying intellect.

[video=youtube;D1n5CQe1krI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1n5CQe1krI[/video]

 

Nope. It's miles squared, cause its a sphere. So its 8 x (40 x 40)= 12,800 inches. Divide that by 12 inches to get feet.

You're left with 1,066.666 feet of drop off. Like I was saying...

Do you see 1,066 feet off curvature existing between Chicago and the Michigan shoreline?

 

I think your ignorance of the Scientific Method and of known facts are what keep you from seeing the absurdity of Big Science.

Land surveyors do not calculate for curvature. Why would their machines do that, when a surveyor can only Shoot finite distances in the first place?

What I'm saying here is that eventually, Surveyor A's shoot must connect to Surveyor B's, which must connect to C and D and E, and so on. When NONE of the surveyors are ever shooting anything OTHER THAN a 100% perfectly flat plan, there's no way curvature is being calculated. So, whatever you've read and quoted from is a lie. Ask any actual Surveyor.

Come with something better before you spout off your nonsense.

 

I think I will trust the superior brains to these flat earthers. But if you can come up with something on the same level as Einstein, or the founders of quantum mechanics and quantum physics, come on back and you will get what you seek, credibility.

Nothing can convince you that the earth is not flat. As nothing can convince the fundamentalists that god is not a being who lives in the sky somewhere, who looks just like them. Flat earthers are just like fundamentalist religious people.

What's the point of the conspiracy theory of the earth being a globe? Why would thousands of men, scientists, much more intelligent than you, create a conspiracy, and miraculously get every new scientist to go along with the conspiracy? The odds for that are so astronomical as to reveal the absurdity involved with the flat earthers.

Even if NASA would agree to take your group up, into space, where you could see the earth for yourself, even that would not change a made up mind. For the group would always have an explanation for this, an another conspiracy theory would be born, and another, and another, in order to keep from changing minds. That is the way insanity operates. The truly insane, are completely oblivious to the fact, that they are insane. And cannot be convinced otherwise.

 

Blind acceptance of popularized unproven unprovable chalkboard scribbling conjecture and never witnessed fantasy theoretical agenda driven BS is your choice.

You and most others are actually the fundamentally religious, as modern Theoretical fantasies like Relativity and Quantum Mechanics are indeed just as much based on Blind Faith as any silly Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist or Muslim system of unprovable beliefs.

Trying to cleverly slip in the notion that I'm somehow unintelligent because I actually USE the Scientific Method to reach my highly accurate, repeatable, observable empirical conclusions ends up leaving you and all the blindly obedient people like you looking jealous and maybe a little butthurt.

As far as scientists plotting together in some vast conspiracy, you're way off base.

There's this little thing called compartmentalization. Ever heard of it?

There's also this other thing called conformity through indoctrination. You've experienced it first hand as most of us, including myself have. Why do you think its the first thing you're taught in public school? Get the kids while they're young.

NASA has never been to space. Nobody has. I'd love to see you try to prove otherwise.

 

Uh uh, sure it's flat. Here's a picture of the Chicago skyline (what you can see of it) from Buffalo, MI. That's the Willis Tower (Sears Tower) on the left.



Of course, since the Earth is flat, we can see the Chicago skyline from here in Denver quite easily

 

They appear to be leaning away from you too! Proof positive!

 

That's about 40 miles away, which would only produce a 0.5 degree apparent lean. The Earth's radius is too big to get a reasonable detectable lean. To get a detectable lean, say 10 degrees, the object would have to be 800 (tangential) miles away. Of course, it would have to be 80 miles tall to see it, so that will never happen on Earth.

 

You obviously didn't read the links I provided. Try again.

 

Don't need to. I know real surveyors.

 

Well, you got me on that calculation, so I researched more.

The Chicago skyline can be seen due to what's called a superior mirage. It would be impossible to see the city otherwise, not just due to curvature, but due to size. The superior mirage also magnifies.

The apparent height of the Sears tower (actual height 1451 feet) at 40 miles (211,200 feet) would be .08 inches, or almost invisible. That would be almost impossible to notice.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Superior_and_inferior_mirage.svg
http://rebrn.com/re/which-part-of-this-information-is-factually-incorrect-842753/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_(visual)

 

Their instruments adjust for the curve.
And the guy holding the pole at the end isn't the surveyor.

Here's a link to a surveyor's textbook, which has a table for compensating. Maybe your friends aren't exact, or don't deal with large projects. For 100 feet, the deviation is only 2.9 thousandths of an inch.
see table 10-4
https://books.google.com/books?id=w...yors compensate for earth's curvature&f=false

 

I feel bad for people like you.

 

The Superior Mirage concept was shot down in the OP. I shouldve just went ahead and referenced that particular line of state deception by its popular name. Infrared proves its not a mirage, but is instead the physical buildings which people are seeing.

 

I don't feel bad for people like you. You choose to worship the empty fallacy that is Big Science. You choose to believe other men are more intelligent than you, because they made up some ridiculous unprovable calculation on a piece of paper.

How's that working out for you? Do you feel more comfortable just being "stupid"? Cause they've got you believing that you are too stupid to think for yourself.

They have you sold so hard on the idea that you're too stupid to think logically, that you've now spent your own personal time and energy defending their nonsense.

 

its very silly to suggest the Earth is NOT a sphere.

 

Why? I've never seen a curvature, and neither have you.

Doesn't that mean you're the silly one, believing in something you cannot see, and will never see, with the same Blind Faith of any ignorantly dogmatic Christian or Muslim??

 

Maybe you should try studying science. MOD EDIT - Rule 3

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What of those who have seen the Earth from orbit? We all know you'll claim they're lying, presumably because they're in on a conspiracy.

Do you doubt that WWII happened, too? There's no way to go see it today.

 

From the actual shoreline or from points some height above it? While the function you quote is accurate (as an estimate over short distances), it is based on an eye line right down at ground level. For any viewpoint above that, that height has to be taken in to consideration.

Do you have any examples of pictures taken of Chicago from Michigan where we can establish the exact point (certainly height) it was taken from?