Which Socialist/Communist said this?

“Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.”

I'll reveal it later.

 

Lincoln....(*)(*)(*)(*) commie........

 

Barack Obama? I heard he's a communist so he probably said it.

 

Probably should have included him in the poll choices.

 

Couldn't answer your poll....you should NOT have put "other" with "don't know" It was Abraham Lincoln who said this.

I learned it in high school I think. Maybe earlier; can't remember.

What's your point?

 

It is true: the USA has seen how capitalizm has saturated the USA labor and Services. When you look at all the middleman who take a pinch of profit of Larobr and Service, you will see why everything costs so much in the USA, not because of the quality of the product or service, but the cost is high because of all the overhead capitalizm has created.

America is the blueprint for success in the post industrial era. Every emerging country has studied it well.

America is also the blueprint for failure in the age of modern technology. Other countries are studiing and learning from the failure of capitalism.

In the USA capitalism once preyed and sucked off the small buisness and services of every corporation and money making industry. Today, every buisness industry in the USA has been tapped out by over capitalism. As a result, no growth potential, no opportunitiy for capitalization on buisnesses that exists.

As a result, the major corporations are capitalizing on government and taxpayers direct. There are no middle man in this transaction. just direct money going from the taxpayer to the corporations that own the politicians.

Other countries that have governments that actualy run the country; heed the warning, if you allow corporations and money to own your government, you too will be the victim of your own capitalization, and you will fail, with no possible way out. Because when you allow corporate industries to get too big, they will own the country, and the country's government.

 

This only proves that there is a long tradition of Communism in the White House.

 

Since capitalism is the force that made America the greatest nation on earth, one would think that it could only be a foreign socialist, marxist or commie that bashed capitalism, but I have to go along with the majority here and say that it was obama himself who gave us that quote, afterall, he's well known for bashing America with his apology tours and all.

 

Government corruption and crony-capitalism do not discredit Capitalism itself as the most prosperous system ever.

Our current taxcode is a testiment to the corruption. Get rid of the current taxcode and replace it with a simple tax structure and you will see a more prosperous country.

 

It was Abraham Lincoln, and you conveniently left out the important part of that address:

You have some nerve quoting Lincoln as some kind of socialist, ESPECIALLY in a speech given to CONSERVATIVE BUSINESSMEN!

 

Do none of you realize that Google exists?

 

Who needs google? Any well informed Republican knows Lincoln. He is the father of the party after all.

 

Yep, yep, and yep. Well said, Silicon Magician.

I knew the point was to give socialism credence by implying Lincoln endorsed it.

It's a cheap ploy and we were not fooled.

And where is the author of this thread? At present he is still logged in........

 

That's the point. He's not a socialist. Get it?

 

Yeah, I get it. He wasn't a socialist, yet you imply he validated a socialist ethic. You left out the context that proves he DID NOT.

My darling, I don't fault you but so much. You are young. Nineteen is very young and the intellect achieves wisdom and perspective through the years - for most people. That's why America is more conservative than liberal.

I hope you will gain that wisdom and perspective down the road in your journey through life. I wish you well.

 

... and what does that have to do with today where the idea of "free labor" is a union thug extorting his company into insolvency in a demand for outrageous and overly generous wages and benefits that are unfit for the tasks he is assigned?

 

I'm not even implying that much. I'm essentially saying that people can think positively of labor and not be a Socialist Commie. Being the smartass that I am, I thought this was the best way to say what I wanted to say.

 

We all think positively about labor. We have jobs or want jobs.

Socialism is another matter indeed. Unions too. They've become political power players and have created a tyranny of sorts over many of their members.

Additionally, IMO, govt unions should not even be allowed. It's a conflict of interest withing govt.

 

Great quote isn't it?

 

Only when taken out of context, and only if you are a leftist and he was primarily speaking in regards to the advantages of free labor over slave.

 

If it looks like a duck...

 

Dear senior, I suspect the point he was trying to make is that our special interests quickly accuse us of being socialists if we speak out against their agenda - even with the quotes from our founding fathers.

 

Show me the rest of the context then, and no I am not a leftist, because I believe in lowering all taxes and eliminating some.

 

Here is the entire thing.

http://dig.lib.niu.edu/teachers/econ1-lincoln.html

There isn't anything in that speech that isn't "classic Republican talking points" to the left.

 

That quote isn't Socialist or Communist; it's a quote from someone who holds the working man in high esteem.

Who doesn't do that?

It's the proposition of a false dichotomy to suppose that one has to support all things Big Labor wants to foist on American Business, or they do not support the Working Man.