While it is our fault, nope, it is not China's fault about climate change

Wow! That is possibly the most scientifically inaccurate statement since “the moon is made of green cheese”

 

Well set me straight then. How much energy goes into making this instant oil, and how much comes out?

 

From what I’ve heard, oil has about 45kJ per gram. Normally it takes 1kJ to extract 1 gram of oil, so you net 44kJ. But to make it in a lab, it takes about 42kJ of energy to make one gram, so you only net 3kJ of energy. I got these numbers off some other forum, but they sound about right to me. Do you have other numbers that contradict this?

 

“From what I have heard”
Yep! Real scientific! Where are the links and citations?

 

“Instant oil?

Goal post shift much?

you can get a oil from occult’s, nuts, olives and algae. I linked earlier to the research on Algae oil

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algae_fuel

 

After a while!!!

And would you perhaps care are to define what you actually mean by a 'while". Is it a year, a decade, a century, a millennium? Because we've been drilling for oil since the 1850's on an industrial basis and NONE of the fields exploited to date have shown any sign of recovery. So sorry, most of us aren't prepared to wait the geological ages it will actually before we can refill our tanks with plentiful oil. You can if you want. I afraid the rest of human civilization can't wait that long.

 

You're just making schiff up... You don't know how much oil is underground, nor how fast we are using it compared to how fast it is being produced.

 

That seem like a trivial issue to me. The hard part is processing the fuel without using other fuel.

 

My original post (13) was referring to new fuel types derived strait from air using electricity derived from any available source and certain catalytic processes, no existing fuel stock required - technically the process is carbon neutral if you use green power sources.

The costs come because firstly the fuels being produced are not necessarily identical to those currently used in say jet aircraft or marine diesels (that may change in the future) but for now its likely both types of engines would either have to be 'tweaked' to run off whatever 'green' fuel can be produced most cheaply or else that product will have to be converted into something readily burnable in current engines. So either new/modified engines or some second stage conversion of the fuel, whichever is cheaper/easier. Secondly most of this tech is only test bed stage so if your going to power every cargo ship in and jet aircraft on the planner you need millions of tonnes of the stuff. So you have to massively upscale production and/or convert existing oil refineries over to covert your raw product into end product.

 

Using existing fuel to create new fuel seems inefficient to me. We used to have a large alcohol plant not far from here that converted locally grown corn to ethanol. The stink could could be detected for miles around it. The amount of energy the plant used was anything but trivial. What you say could make sense if common sense told me it is an efficient process. It doesn't.

 

You dont understand, these techniques dont use any feed stock other than CO2 from the air and hydrogen from water. No, plant based carbon, no algae, natural gas or anything. Theres no mined or grown inputs. The only other input is electricity and the catalysts. Which is why it's a closed loop system and carbon neutral if solar or somesuch is used to provide the power.

That also means there's no smell because theres no waste products like when you ferment alchohol. The only output is the fuel.