While Students Flee Public Universities, Christian Schools Are Only Getting Bigger

Do you think this sort of discussion is what is happening in universities today? It isn't. People are not being challenged to think critically, and argue facts and reasoning. They are being fed dogma and forced to recite it back.

According to STEM, how many sex/genders are there and what is a woman?

Education is much more than facts. Rote memorization of facts would be quite a low level of education and wouldn't involve much thinking at all.

I'd hope a religious studies class would cover both the Bible and the Quran. I'd hope studying sports, arts, and literature would involve much more than "facts".

Harvard University is a private Ivy League research university in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Founded in 1636 as Harvard College and named for its first benefactor, the Puritan clergyman John Harvard, it is the oldest institution of higher learning in the United States and one of the most prestigious and highly ranked universities in the world.[9][10]

You might want to take your foot out of your mouth now. Many such institutions have a religious basis to their founding. The fact they've moved so far from them might be part of why people are so willing to move on from them.

 

I wouldn't get your hopes up @XXJefferson#51.

I'm attending a Christian University-- Maryville University - Wikipedia -- and I'm an Atheist. I didn't even know I was attending a Catholic university until a few semesters in!

They just had an excellent sales pitch in an online advertisement just at the right moment when I had come into some extra money, and free time, and wanted to expand my education.

So, anyway, I'm in a Bachelor's degree program for Management Information Systems there. I wouldn't say it's at all different than a degree taken at a public college. I've been to one so I know. No forced Christian rituals or creationist teachings in place of science.

But they let me take online courses with them regardless, even though I put Atheist as religion on the entry form.

(Not to mention my brother who's attending a Christian college in Japan, but not for the religion. In fact in Japan Chrisitan just means western. These words are used interchangeably there.)

So, this isn't the Christian revival movement that you're expecting it to be, sorry.

 

The class you need to take is a comprehensive religious studies class or a Comparison of the world's religions. Baylor University has a class like that, it is a junior level class and an elective if you are not a "religious studies" major.

As for collegiate education, they do try to teach critical thinking, at least in the junior and senior level classes for your major. For Business Majors, SWAT Analysis class is usually required for a BBA degree. That does teach, or at least attempts to teach critical thinking skills. But there are times where "facts" is done in mostly in the freshman and to a lesser extent the sophomore level classes. But now, it is all about getting the degree, especially at for profit, private universities like Devry and others.

 

Harvard is a religious university?

 

It was. It was the seminary university in the early days of the colonies and the United States. But not anymore. It does have a very good school of Religion though.

 

The problem is most of them are about the profits and not about the education at this stage. There's a reason we have a trillion dollar student loan matter and a bunch of ignorant and unemployable "graduates". They can tell you their pronouns but they can't defend or think about much.

If you don't like my answer go find your own. If you can't then blame the place that gave you your degree for the terrible education they provided.

 

Says the guy typing away on technology brought to you by the secular University of California campuses ...
Not one Liberty University grad has made any scientific breakthrough.
If we want a model for the future, MIT would be it.

 

Yes and no. You're getting a degree from them and obviously consider it to be a proper education and reasonable value.

Meanwhile other universities are more interested in whether you believe the right dogma and recite the correct narrative all while handing them thousands of dollars a year. Your school isn't forcing their religion down your throat. The point is many public universities and certain private universities are forcing their woke civic religion down the throat of students attending them.

https://nypost.com/2021/04/08/virgi...-with-lawsuit-over-panel-confrontation-judge/

 

It's silly to obsess over sexual studies in Universities - it makes up such a tiny part of the curriculum, that they could teach there were 2,634 genders and
it wouldn't make the slightest difference in the world.

What matters is that non-Christian based schools like UCLA, MIT, and dozens of other Universities, are making huge strides in
medicine and technology - areas that keep the US in the forefront of economies around the globe. Without the tech coming out of
the University systems, the US would be a second rate economy.

 

DEI statements and provisions at this universities will be ending the sort of strides you mention from the past. They will not be happening in the future.

 

silly statement on your part. We've had tremendous strides in cancer treatments just in the last few years coming out of University Research Centers.
I know Russian trolls would like to claim differently, but American teaching hospitals in conjunction with Universities are still at the forefront of
research and cures.

 

Without religious schools, how would doctors learn how to pray away the gay

 

As long as the voucher system applies equally to Islamic schools and other religions.

 

And you’d be right……as I pointed out in post #7, the evidence lies heavily in the opposite direction …..

 

Very silly argument….

Yes, Harvard was ORIGINALLY founded by a clergyman……but so what? How does it function TODAY? Just as Trinity College in Dublin was ORIGINALLY founded as a religious place of learning, wherein students compulsorily had to attend religious instruction, this is no longer the case. As one of the world’s finest institutions, leading in the teaching of the sciences and mathematics, it has left its superstitious roots behind as a relic of history….

 

All due respect, but your confusing conversations on campus, with whats being taught in the classroom.

And FTR, I agree with you on the "genders" issue, but I also agree with inclusion. No I do admit that "inclusion" i getting out of control

Education is the learning of facts, and critical thinking skills that evolve from the experience of "learning".

Almost every "institution" founded in that time was funded by/for some form of "belief". But remember that at that time, their "beliefs" were, women had no rights, they owned slaves, and his same religion burned "witches" at the stake. So since that was the "founders" vision, then that religious belief should remain....right ?

 

True, whether it is primary, secondary, or collegiate education, it is generally based on free market enterprise and profit motive, even if the university is under the 501 nonprofit organization code. However, I think it depends on the school, the teacher, the type of degree, etc. And from my experience, the upper-level classes get you to think while the freshman and sophomore-level classes try to teach you the "facts." Colleges also don't teach you discernable job skills, the critical job skills. They teach you how to do something from a book, but in private practice, that is just the beginning. And in some degrees and job occupations, you are always learning. So, education really does not stop once you obtain your bachelor's, master's, JD, LLM, and other higher-level professional degrees.

 

Of course it would.

I think a voucher system should only cover maybe 70% or 80% of what a public school covers. That would allow the public to pay for most of the normal education (provided at that private school), while meanwhile the parents would have to pay for the part of the education that was religious. Seems like a very reasonable compromise to me.

 

I’m glad you are so open to the idea of equality for other religions. Bravo.
But I actually disagree with vouchers for education. It steals money from the public system. If parents want their kids to go to a private school, they should pay 100% of the cost themselves.

 

On the bleeding edge of tech, in many areas China is now the pioneer, not America. This is particularly true in 5G, AI, solar and battery. China has a billion people and their average IQ is higher than America. America is heading towards a second rate economy.
As the progressives always say, demographics are destiny. The average American IQ has been dropping for awhile now and eventually will rival that of a Latin American country. In a world where cognitive ability is increasingly the standard that defines success, the dropping American IQ is the canary in the coalmine.

By 2050, I would not be surprised to see China with a higher GDP/capita than America and a GDP 5 times higher than America. The only spanner in the works is the massive population bomb they are sitting on top of. It will detonate in the next few decades and could significantly affect China's economy and political system.

 

be funny to hear China whine about others violating their patents for once

 

Your reference to a vibrating Christian school simply provides your subjective religious bias.

What you think vibrates others may find stagnant, repressed, bigoted and anything but healthy. Education is not limited to expressing your views of Christianity.

I am not permitted to expand further on your "vibrant" Christian school description.

STEM educational curriculum concentrates on applied sciences, math, engineering and often conflicts with and sees liberal arts (social sciences, humanities) as problematic if they don't teach specific skills STEM educators deem "transferable".

STEM education is actually at the present time in direct conflict with curriculum that emphasizes abstract and creative thinking in curriculum.

Many of us have the same concerns with "Christian" schools as we do any school that teaches religious biases should be placed on the parameters of what can be learned.

Religious biases are not vibrant nor do they make people vibrate-if anything they repress and censor the creative spirit unless it is expressed using a specific formula.

As long as Christianity teaches non Christians are not capable of enlightenment, its just a system of bigotry and intolerance as would be the case with any other religion or philosophy that does the same.