Whilst Thousands are Murdered by Isis the left still wanks on about Israel

It's disputed as the PNC in 1996 and 1998 voted to amend articles mentioned that call for Israel's destruction. This is according to Israel's foreign ministry website which has reactions by Bibi, Yitzhak Moredechai, and Ariel Sharon after PNC votes saying PLO covenant was amended. This makes it unclear as means according to Israelis including right wing leaders that they have amended it. As mentioned previously Abbas is not interested in violence and this is according to Yoram Cohen current Shin Bet head the person that would know the most if Abbas is interested in violence against Israel.
http://www.israel.org/mfa/foreignpo...sraeli reactions to the pnc vote in gaza.aspx
http://www.israel.org/mfa/mfa-archi...f pm netanyahu and fm sharon - erez- dec.aspx

 

That doesn't contradict anything I said. I do agree that if Israeli-Palestine issue was solved relations between America and Arab/Muslim world would be better. However that wouldn't mean all of a sudden relations would be perfect. As there are other issues, for example oppressive Arab regimes like Saudi Arabia we support(this issue is difficult as it's unclear what we can do other than drop military aide as there is no organized secular democratic opposition in these countries) . The claim is also that Iraq war is because of Israel. The facts simply don't show that. Ariel Sharon and other Israeli officials in private warned against this, correctly predicting that Iraq would became an Iranian proxy.

 

"Whilst Thousands are Murdered by Isis the left still wanks on about Israel"

Whilst Thousands are Murdered by Isis the right still wanks on about Liberals

no one has to 100% agree with Israel or Liberals or Conservatives just because ISIS is killing people

what we can agree too, is that ISIS needs to be stopped...

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As I said, they voted to change it but never did. Here is their charter as it exists today;

https://web.archive.org/web/20060616133925/http://www.pna.gov.ps/Government/gov/plo_Charter.asp

As posted earlier the UN is a bit miffed they never changed it as well as they reported as of 2011 that it still had yet to be.

"Despite repeated assurances to amend it, the Palestinian National Charter remains unchanged – calling for Israel’s elimination by any military means Fatah’s Sixth General Conference (2009) leaves its PLO Charter unchanged since 1968 "

So, while I'm sure they want to wish Israel the best of all things possible but having their destruction by violence at the top of their official policy is not helping much.

 

That ISIS are villains does not give the Israelis immunity from just criticism.

 

No but it puts into perspective why the left ignores human rights abuses by muslims and concentrates on the Single Jewish country Muslim states treat people vastly worse than Israel doesbut Israel is singled out for special mention. I realise you are just an old fashioned anti semite Heinrich but the lefts intentions are telling

 

No one is ignoring ISIS. Again like I said before
"Right now there is a coalition that includes United States and other Western countries like Canada and Australia, Arab countries in the region(Saudi Arabia Morocco,UAE, Jordan, Qatar, and Bahrain) and recently Turkey since July allowing its Incirlik airbase to be used is bombing ISIS. Since this campaign was launched in September 2014 7,000 air strikes have been launched against ISIS destroying 10,600 targets and since June have killed 1,000 fighters a month. This has caused ISIS to be unable to operate in 25% of populated areas it once held in Iraq. In Syria while there have been setbacks, Syrian Kurds which since last October its commanders have been able to call in air strikes from United States are on the verge of capturing the last border crossing point between Syria and Turkey held by ISIS at Jarabulus(their only other border crossing point between Turkey and Syria was captured by the Kurds last June). Again it's fair to say we should do more against ISIS in particularly a no fly zone in Syria. However that is not the same as saying the left or the West is doing nothing and standing by while ISIS attacks. Aside from Lindsay Graham and John McCain in 2013 I don't think the Republicans even though they have majority in both houses of Congress has not tried to pressure Obama into a no fly zone"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ossing-with-turkey-held-by-isis-10511666.html
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/...d-7000-bombs-later-the-campaign-against-isis/

Support of Arab countries and other countries like Pakistan is an issue unfortunately both Democrats and Republicans(Bush for example was close with Saudis) agree on. The Republicans have a majority in both houses of congress, if they want to they could pressure Obama on the issue like passing a budget that doesn't include aide to these countries since again they have a majority in both houses of congress, instead they seem focused on more important issues to them like defunding planned parenthood.


The fact is Israel is committing human right abuses in the West Bank. They are not as grave as ISIS few are but they still are human right abuses, that are violations of international law. This is acknowledged by Israelis who have help led run the occupation including former Shin Bet head Avrahahm Shalom who stated “[We’ve become] a brutal occupation force similar to the Germans in World War II," and former Shin Bet head Carmi Gillon added "We are making the lives of millions unbearable, into prolonged human suffering, [and] it kills me,”
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...ust-survivor-compares-Israel-to-Nazi-Germany#

Here are examples of human right abuses that is making lives of millions unbearable, into prolonged human suffering again not my words, words of former Shin Bet head of your country
"When settlers attack Palestinians generally with impunity(399 cases of settler attacks 93 of them in which Palestinians were injured and 306 property damaged roughly for each year from 2009 to 2013, in a Yesh Din study 90% of hundred of cases examined did not led to indictments, 96% of investigations involving trespassing did not lead to an indictment, 100% of cases examined involving property offenses were closed without indictments, and 79% of assault cases examined were closed without indictment, ), when settler leaders of Itamar, Yitzhar, and Kiryat Arba(chief rabbi for yeshiva there in a rabbical ruling said Baruch Goldstein who massacred 29 Palestinians in 1994 is holier than victims of the holocaust) all are authors of or have endorsed King's Torah which allows non Jews to be killed including children, when Palestinians are restricted in building with 70% of area C completely barred from Palestinians to build in due to classifying it as state, survey, nature reserve etc. lands, when Palestinians are rarely permitted to build due to low approval rating(5.6% approval for permits between 2000-2012 and 1 permit approved in 2014) and low master plans approved(to date 90% of villages in area C have not had master plans approved by Israel, few plans approved cover one half of one percent of total land area of area C), when Palestinian buildings are often destroyed as a result of these restrictions(509 in West Bank including East Jerusalem displacing 1,177 people, in January of this year Israel destroyed 77 building displacing 110 people roughly half of them children), when Palestinians are under control of military court system that most agree is unjust where Palestinians have a 99.7% conviction rate, when Israeli soldiers are sometimes killing unarmed Palestinians where they didn't pose a threat and aren't punished like in the case of Saleh and Muhammad Qawarik; here is excerpt from the case
"The chain of events, leading to the moment in which an anxious soldier fired 29 bullets into the bodies of the two cousins, Saleh and Muhammad Qawarik, farmers who woke up early that morning to work their land, shows the null cost of Palestinian lives in the occupied territories. This involves the dubious initiative of a settler with a vast criminal record, one hyperactive shooter and three soldiers who do not remember anything, having managed to miss all 29 shots.",
and when you have a Jerusalem marked by inequality and building restrictions(areas that could grow Palestinian neighborhoods are expropriated for Israeli neighborhood and public infrastructure and undeveloped areas are classified as open landscapes or parks which also restrict Palestinian neighborhoods) along with several Arab neighborhoods attached to Jerusalem denied basic services like trash, education and health care due to being to outside fence and part of area C, as long as all the above is still happening, then there will be violence between Israelis and Palestinians with ending occupation the only way to stop the violence long term."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/settle...ign-of-terror-on-unarmed-palestinians/5366169
http://imeu.org/article/state-sanctioned-incitement-israels-extremist-rabbis
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/palestinians-west-bank-demolition_55af1787e4b0a9b94852fa25
http://www.btselem.org/topic/planning_and_building
http://www.yesh-din.org/userfiles/file/Reports-English/SemblanceofLawfullreportEng.pdf
http://972mag.com/conviction-rate-for-palestinians-in-israels-military-courts-99-74-percent/28579/
http://972mag.com/license-to-kill-why-did-the-idf-shoot-the-qawarik-cousins-29-times/106767/
http://972mag.com/special/license-to-kill/
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...-palestinian-areas-municipality-services.html
http://972mag.com/an-education-in-inequality-for-east-jerusalems-children/78337/
http://www.ir-amim.org.il/en/issue/urban-planning

if you are going to post on this form actually use facts and debate instead of using criticizing Israel at all is a form of anti-semitism bs(by your definition this would make founders of Israel like Moshe Dayan, David Ben Gurion anti Semitic and Israelis that have served Israel like in the Shin Bet or high up in the army like Ehud Barak most decorated soldier anti Semitic)

 

Whatever hasbara Sharon and other war criminals may have spun for the gullible, elite Jews and their AIPAC minons pushed for the US invasion of Iraq, and they are just as responsible for "the accumulated evil of the whole" as Bush and Cheney

"Tempers flared even more, they said, when Frank claimed that Israel and AIPAC had lobbied members of Congress a decade ago to support the war in Iraq. Similar arguments in the past have been hurled at the lobby by anti-war activists from the left and have always been vehemently denied. Frank, faced with vocal resistance from AIPAC members in the room, clarified that while calling for war was not the lobby’s official position, some of its top members advocated for it personally in their meetings with him and other members of Congress." - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/03/lobbied-congress-support#sthash.lz7vtOMA.dpuf

 

It is called applying double standards and is one of the pillars upon which antisemitism is applied in the new politik.

Defining Anti-Semitism

 

Goodness, if it's so unbearable why don't they surrender or at the very least, rescind their declaration of war, take the violent destruction of Israel off their official position and sue for peace like Nazi Germany and japan did. If they still call for Israel's destruction they are still at war and as an enemy under occupation they are not qualified to receive any special treatment other than an enemy under occupation.

 

Abbas has tried negotiation with Israel and other then with Olmert which were months away from a deal in 2008(Abbas agreed to Israel annexing all of settlement blocs except for Ariel which sits on fertile land reserves, Israel keeping all of the Jewish neighborhoods in East Jerusalem except for Har Homa which was built during 1990's, demilitarized borders etc but ran out of time to solve differences); the negotiations didn't go far. According to Israeli government they amended the covenant. The laws of occupation still apply regardless of what the occupied population(although they can fight back, only at military targets, attacks against civilians by any side including against settlers is against international law, though personally believe non violence resistance is the only method that should be used) does.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13/magazine/13Israel-t.html

This link you gave me before to PLO official charter. It says it's amended, here is excerpt from it
"Amendments
In a letter to Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, Yasser Arafat stated that those articles which denied Israel's right to exist or are inconsistent with the PLO's new commitments to Israel following their mutual reognition, were no longer valid (see Oslo peace process).
"The PNC met in a special session on 26 April 1996 to consider the issue of amending the Charter and adopted the following decision:
A. The Palestinian National Charter is hereby amended by canceling the articles that are contrary to the letters exchanged the P.L.O. and the Government of Israel 9-10 September 1993.
B. Assigns its legal committee with the task of redrafting the Palestinian National Charter in order to present it to the first session of the Palestinian Central Council.
The decision was adopted by a vote of: 504 in favor, 54 against, and 14 abstentions.

On January 1998, Yasser Arafat sent a letter to US President, Bill Clinton, outlining the implications of this decision in terms of the specific articles of the Charter that were nullified or amended as a result of that decision. In December 1998, both the PLO Executive Committee and the PLO Central Council reaffirmed this decision"
https://web.archive.org/web/20060616133925/http://www.pna.gov.ps/Government/gov/plo_Charter.asp
This is also on Israel's foreign ministry website.
http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/foreignpolicy/peace/guide/pages/the palestinian national charter.aspx

Even the other link a statement by the group World Union for Progressive Judaism to the UN noted
"President Clinton declared to the Palestinian National Council in Gaza (14 December 199
“I thank you for your rejection—fully, finally and forever—of the passages in the Palestinian Charter calling for the destruction of Israel. For they were the ideological underpinnings of a struggle renounced at Oslo. By revoking them once and for all, you have sent, I say again, a powerful message not to the government, but to the people of Israel. You will touch people on the street there. You will reach their hearts there.

Like President Clinton, Israel and the Likud party now formally agreed that the objectionable clauses of the charter had been abrogated – in official statements and statements by then Prime Minister Netanyahu, Foreign Minister Sharon, Defense Minister Mordechai and Trade and Industry Minister Sharansky. The official Israeli objections to the Charter disappeared thereafter from lists of Palestinian violations of agreements and the international legal controversy ended. "
http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/853668C3E95F8E068525785500565876
Note that Sharon, Sharansky, and Bibi all from the right say that the PLO covenant has been amended.

If the PLO did not amend it's charter Bibi would be demanding for it to be amended. No one would oppose Bibi on that action if he did that.

 

Please produce the 'amended' charter as the current one still calls for the violent destruction of Israel.