White House Leaks Might Be From Trump Himself

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  1. Gdawg007

    Gdawg007 Well-Known Member

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    I have no article or story to back this up. It's just a political belief and is subject to debate and of course being wrong.

    My evidence to support this is as follows:

    Trump is a known leaker. He has done so under a pseudonym prior to being President.
    The leaks allow him to declare that a "deep state" is out to get him. As such, they let him justify firing staff he doesn't like. He certainly doesn't fire people he genuinely likes.
    The leaks never seem to be quite devastating enough. They look bad, but are survivable.

    There might be other things I've missed. I'm not saying this with any certainty. But the leaks only have two possible explanations.

    The first is that it's the work of someone "noble" or "honorable" who sees Trump as a threat to the nation. I used quotes on those words because that's likely how the individual sees themselves, not necessarily claiming they are. This is a nice story, but most people who work somewhere, even if they don't like the boss, tend not to take such chances with information that could potentially harm the nation, liberal or conservative.

    The second is it's someone who has something to gain from the leaks. So far, Trump has managed to convince his base of this deep state BS and leaking classified information is a great way to back it up. After all, he wouldn't leak it, he's the president, so it must be someone with access to the information...you know, the deep state intelligence agencies that oppose him.
     
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    I don’t think Trump is a shrewd enough political operator to manufacture that kind of leak and I don’t think many in the media would cover for him in the same way they do for other politicians or parties “leaking” their own information for their own benefit.

    Most leaks will be about perceived political advantage (generally from politicians or their agents) or simply for money (generally from lower level staff). The media promote it regardless because it gives them profitable stories. Most of the time it isn’t anything like as calculated or planned as a lot of people like to imagine.
     
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    Silly premise. We're bombarded everyday with so much anti-Trump rhetoric from MSM and individual Trump haters, the WH should start fighting fire with fire. Fortunately, Trump's so busy working for Americans, he doesn't have time to play such dumb games.

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    Perhaps trump read this retired congressional worker's book?



    This pbs video comes from 2014, and so this deep state idea was not invented by trump, but by someone who saw it working, in congress.

    So enough of the fabrications in regards to the deep state and trump. Facts matter, even if dems do not like them.
     
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    Yeah, he's so busy that he manages to get in a round of golf once every four days!

    And, since it was Obama's economic policies that got us to 4% unemployment, It's good to see you post a picture of him smiling!
     
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    That is all true. But that still does not mean that the White House or Trump isn't deliberately doing some of the leaking.

    It would just draw a line under the obvious fact that these clowns don't know what they're doing!
     
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    LOL, good one. :icon_picknose:
     
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    The part about the "deep state" is noteworthy.

    Trump is more successful than most of the right wing noise machine at messanging to the base.

    One reason is that he has built a Cult of Personality around himself. As a televsion host and long time tabloid favorite,this is one thing he knows how to do very well.

    As with most right wing movements, Trump promotes baked in excuses for his failures.

    One is turning the phrase "fake news" on its head. Recall that "fake news" was the process by which the Trump campaign, Cambridge Analytica and the Russians used to insert and promote a flood of political mythology,outright lies, and campaign spin to virtually every American who had a social media account.

    Now, he has relabeled the real media as "fake news", something that right wing talk radio types have been promoting for years, in order to strengthen their own brands.

    Another is a ready made excuse for failure. If Trump didn't win the election, it was because of millions of mythological illegal immigrants voting for Clinton.

    If Trump fails in office, it isn't his own incompetence to blame, it's an imaginary "deep state".

    This is all necessary for an audience that gets all of its "news" from blogs and one right wing television network. Trumpster like simple messages, lots of graphics, explanations that reinforce their "little man" syndrome, feed resentment, and dismiss them from the need to actually read anything more than one paragraph long.
     
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    LOL, yeah right, keep spinning, Trump is Trump's worst enemy, his mouth and tweets get him into trouble

    Trump is a rich bully that we are now seeing uses the courts to silence people from telling the people about him, I hear he even has gag orders on his ex-wives

    once a person becomes President every American should have a right to tell the people what they know about the President, people have a right to speak out about our government
     
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    Oh I’m sure all sorts of people in the White House are, just as they always will have done. I was questioning the idea of Trump personally being responsible for any of it.
     
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    You may be right. But perhaps he's simply gotten better about how he leaks. As President, he has built in insulation. But that's a good point, if the media discovered it was him they would roast him for it.
     
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    Hes the same now as before he was elected. Are you disappointed he didnt change?
     
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    A couple things, he's one republican talking about it. I don't recall Obama complaining about the deep state or Republicans complaining about the deep state when Obama was in office. Do you?

    What he is talking about is the military industrial complex. That's nothing new, I agree, and it's nothing we should be surprised by. We were warned by Eisenhower about it. The way it works is simple and caused by the same people complaining about it. Here's how it works:

    The military needs hardware. They contract that work out. Those contracts are worth lots of money. The contractors who do the work complete heavily for those contracts. Congress has a role in funding those contracts, the Pentagon has the role is awarding and executing them. So those contractors lobby both places. They hire former Pentagon workers to build relationships with the Pentagon. They hire former Reps to Congress to do the same. That's corruption. It gives them a means to influence congress and the Pentagon to their advantage. This creates inertia of which the sole means is to push money from the taxpayers into contracts for the Contractors.

    NONE of this is political in the sense that they want to destroy or take down Trump. The intelligence agencies are on the same side as the Pentagon. They need hardware too and they rely on the same contractors for it.

    If you want more information, read about the history of DARPA. It's an open secret that they work on stuff so classified, not even the president is fully aware of it. And in some cases, they can deny him/her access.

    That said, it's not worried about simple things like who is president for the next 4 years. This is a longer range process designed to ensure the supremacy of the United States. Right or wrong, that's how we the people set it up. That's right, all these things were created by representatives we voted for. So back to your video, for a Congressmen to complain about it silly. Congress let's it happen and funds it. And Congress doesn't complain when the process produced things like the SR-71 or nukes or whatever they are currently producing that you and I don't know about.
     
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    Hard to say.

    If John Baron called up Carol Loesing or Dexter Filkins with a juicy story about his "good friend" Donald Trump, I suspect they'd know who it was right away.
     
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    Unemployment was at 4.8 percent when Obama left office. Nice try.

    Trump has been coasting on Obama's momentum ever since taking office.

    Have you ever even looked at Trump's daily schedule? It's pathetic. He's a total lightweight.

    Here's now hard Trump is working:

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    “I’m going to be working for you. I’m not going to have time to go play golf. Bleev me. Bleev me. Bleev me, folks."
     
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    Yeah, but then he would go to a rally and claim it was "fake news" and the audience would clap like trained seals.
     
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    So you are convinced it's people just out to get Trump? Or rather, what do you see as their motive? Because this recent link gives Trump plenty of ammo to fire McMaster, someone he didn't want around anyway. Now he has one more reason to. And given the state of that relationship, if he wanted to keep his job, why take the risk of leaking something only a small group of people could have possibly leaked? Unless he wants out. But he does, he can resign at any time. He can just up and quit. Being fired as a leaker is no more honorable.
     
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    No doubt he would if it happened that way. But to play devil's advocate, how could he be the leaker and not get caught? He would need either someone he trusted implicitly, or someone he knew was leaking that he would intentionally talked to when he wanted something to leak, or some sort of secret cyber identity to leak stuff electronically. Those are the only three ways I can think of.
     
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    And Trump's time in TV taught him the value of leaks. There is no such things a bad press. And he takes the approach that it doesn't matter what they say about him, as long as they are talking about him. So all these lies are less important than the fact that they get his names in the "papers."

    But that still doesn't make him the leaker. I mean, it doesn't prove he is or isn't.
     
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    Not as silly as anything you have ever posted.

    Thanks for wasting electrons.
     
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    You didn't listen to it....he left the GOP because of this crap. I guess unlike dems, the man had some damned principles? You may have to look that word up, since no one on the left knows what it means...IMO.

    My point remains. You cannot accuse trump of inventing the idea of a deep state, anymore, unless you insist on using deception. I can find other videos on the deep state that preceded this one, if you want to learn more about it...which, I doubt that you do. For it does not serve you.

    Ike mentioned it long ago, but used a different term for it But any pile of sh*t by any other name smells...like sh*t. And yet some here will even argue against that. Nonsense.
     
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    Russian collusion didnt work, dragging out old girlfriends didnt work, why not try making up things about Trump?

    Yeah, that might work. :icon_picknose:
     
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    The "deep state" has had its variants in the mythology of teh parocial extreme American right wing for as long as I can remember,and even before that.

    They used to go on about "black helipcoptors" that would materialize from nowhere.

    They ranted about the Trilateral Society, although few of them know what it actually is.

    And the Council for Foreign Relations has been one of the far right's favorite conspiracy targets fore decades.


    Anything that can be blamed on anonymous bearded "foreigners", and/or international bankers, or mythological secret cartels will do.

    The "deep state" is only the current iteration of a favorite xenophibic myth.

    But this is the first time that a sitting President has tried to give credence to a conspiracy theory.
     
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    Russian collusion is now obvious, and it's only a matter of wrapping up the necessary evidence for trial.

    The old "girlfriends" are dragging themselves out and going on "60 Minutes" with no help from the Democratic party.
     
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    VIPS is not right wing. And they have talked about this subject since 01. When they were formed.

    And is chris hedges, right wing? He talks about it as well. I can give you a list of real liberals who have discussed it. So, off with your right wing accusations. Was Ike right wing? Not a chance in hell. He despised conservatives. So you seem to be misinformed and I would suggest a bit of research, going back to Ike? I have heard about this entity for years. But I do not limit my own knowledge and interests to partisan issues. And party politics. I despise both.
     

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