This is not worth my time and not the time of others... We are here, we live here, we earn our living here, and we will fight for every inch of our land... You carry on nitpicking... I and many others do not care.... But we care about all those we care for even the Muslims in our hospitals... At least the Arabs of Israel are not on the dole or wasting time like you do writing anti Israeli history. Apparently you have a lot of time writing prejudicial nonsense and defamation of my country... notwithstanding we will forge ahead
If one person enters my home uninvited it is an invasion. If one person listens to my phone calls without my permission it is an invasion of privacy. These are not 'incidents' except to those who seek, semantically, to differentiate and minimise.
These are not military invasions which was what KK desperately tried to implicate Israel in. While your wordsmithing is noted it merely proves that you have nothing real and have to resort to inventing "Israeli invasions" out of thin air. Raids, incidents, cross-border military actions etc are not called "invasions" in international law or military practice. And I thought English was your native language.LOL
LOL, that's exactly what you are arguing. The entire world knows that event as an 'incident', or 'military action', the three of you anonymous bloggers here have been resorting to pretty pathetic semantics in desperate attempts to invent an "invasion".
Polish is his native language forgive him... These Poles are like bent trees you cannot straighten them!!! - - - Updated - - - Amen to that...
In that case the definition that I quoted by Merriam-Webster for "Invasion" was wrong, SnakeStretcher, at least according to HBendor and Borat. So let us not be mere parrots but use our own reasoning ability. Can we do that? Well, at least, let’s try. 1) Did Israeli forces enter a foreign country. You bet. Jordan had annexed the West Bank. It was not sovereign Israeli ground and THAT is for sure. Did they take control by military force? Well, it wasn’t done by the 2nd Tel Aviv boy scouts. But did they have control? I suppose that when no one can stop you from killing a dozen Jordanian soldiers for the loss of only one of your own, down a Jordanian jet of 1950’s vintage with your state-of-the-art Mirage IV, that you are not exactly lacking control. I suppose that when no-one could stop you from killing some civilians and destroying a clinic, a school, a mosque and dozens of houses, that you were not exactly lacking control. So tick the first “invasion box”. “Yes, Klipkap, but they did not stay – they retreated the same day.” Where does the definition impose a time limit? “OK, Klipkap, but an attack of that force was not what had been approved by the Isralei government.” I see – so even greater destruction means it is less of an invasion? 2) Did the IDF enter Jordan in large numbers? Well, as Ronstar noted, that is a no-brainer. The UN called it a LARGE force. Tick the second “invasion” box. 3) Did they attack so as to be in a place where they were not wanted? Well, I saw no reports of rose petals being strewn in front of the half-tracks nor cheering crowds lining the way. In Jan Múhren’s interview of the mayor of Samu, he was not delirious with delight at having the school, clinic and mosque destroyed, so, YES, I suppose the IDF was not wanted in Samu that day. Third box ticked. So what is your problem. It fits the English language definition perfectly. All three boxes are ticked. Any problems with 'Murka's most respected dictionary's definition? So yes, Israel invaded Jordan in November 1966. .... (to be continued) .... Second Test: Does "Invasion" fit the customary usage for the Samu "incident"
So, readers, what does Borat consider to be invasions, in that case? What invasions of Israel does he refer to that swamp the Samu “incident” in magnitude? He recently quoted the Israeli justification for breaking the ceasefire on 4 November 2008 which led to the slaughter of 1400+ Gazans. Let is check how much more scary it was than Samu. Israel received intelligence of a tunnel being dug from Gaza to under Israeli territory with a view to kidnapping Israeli border guards. Borat called that one worthy of breaking a ceasefire. He wrote that the tunnel had been dug into Israeli territory. Besides the fact that no evidence to support the Israeli/Borat version was ever produced – no excavation on Israeli ground revealing the tunnel; no survey diagram showing the horizontal excavation over hundreds of metres; no photos or preferably videos showing that it was not a defensive pit as claimed by the investigations by the Carter Foundation. Just a “believe us; we are the good guys; we never hurt anyone without good cause”. But no, there is no such evidence, at least none that Borat could provide. Yet THAT hole in Gaza territory was an invasion. Another recent Borat “invasion” claim: Israel was justified in Operation Cast Lead, because prior breaking the ceasefire on 4 November (implying during the ceasefire; I certainly hope he was NOT referring to events BEFORE the ceasefire agreement; that would be really bad debating) 10 000 rockets had rained down on Israel. This is a monstrous exaggeration – approximately a 99.75% exaggeration. In fact less than 2 dozen home-made rockets were fired; none causing any damage; and fired by Israel’s favourites in the 2006 election (Fatah) so as to embarrass Hamas). THAT is an “invasion”. Isn’t it amazing. When the Israelis cross the border with hundreds of troops, half-tracks and fighter-jets, and destroy a village it is NOT an invasion. When the Palestinians dig a hole, it is. What subtle use of the English language!!!
Where on earth did he suck that one out of? Hey, Borat, can you show us this in the 1899 or 1907 Hague Conventions or the Kellogg-Briant pact, the Geneva Conventions, the UN Charter, the San Remo manual or the Rome Statute? Or perhaps in the International Law Commission statutes ... or even the Nuremberg trials? Can you? Because I deal in facts.
OK, So Israel entered Israel. HBendor, when are you going to stop this kind of nonsense? ------------------------- The rest of the "reply" is plagiarism, since it is a direct Wiki cut-and-paste without any recognition.That is a copyright infringement with a 2 point penalty ... and blah blah blah.
Yeah, Israel has long been a provocatuer of neighboring countries around it in order to inspire justified retaliation. If you look through the UN's records on Israel, you'll see that sometimes it jumps the gun and retaliates before it claims an attack, and at other times, it has been caught funding or using covert means to engineer the "attack" that justifies a retaliation, as they did in Syria. But, of course, poor Israel never hurts anybody. They've always been kind an accomodating to the India- I mean Palestinian's. Jeez, Israel sounds a lot like someone else. Wonder where they're getting they're foreign policy from?
I can show you the entire world calling it a military action or an incident and a few anonymous bloggers creating invasions out of thin air. LOL Get a grip of yourself dude.
Yeah, but who would, no one with a brain pays any attention to politicized, bureaucratized, irrelevant, corrupt, hypocritical UN dominated by African dictatorships and muslim theocracies.
The FACT REMAINS THAT SAMU IS IN ISRAEL TODAY after Jordanians left the place or were beaten out of the place... Then, signed a Peace agreement with Israel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Copy and paste from a choice of researches...YES!!! Like you I am not a walking talking encyclopedia!!!!!!!! Looking for infringement now???? hmmmm I think my retort is to the point... I will keep my 2 points. As Samu' or es-Samu' (Arabic: السموع‎ is a town in the Hebron Governorate of the West Bank, 12 kilometers south of the city of Hebron ...
It's certainly your prerogative not to be a supporter of western values and western way of life, which, despite all its faults and imperfections is infinitely better, more progressive, civilized and humane than its Islamic and dictatorial alternatives practiced elsewhere.
Infinitely better would be an example of hyperbole. However, it still goes to show the faulty but far superior Western Civilizations is usually responsible for the problems of less progressive, less civilized, less humane people it routinely obstructs, sabotages, manipulates, extorts, steals from, brutalizes, or destroys. If they could fund and raise a dictator in Antarctica, they would have successfully violated international law and committed war crimes on every continent. But I'm sure the Middle East is worse...in your mind.
Is cross-border military action an aggression by Israel? Of course it is. So thank you for supporting the OP. Israel was the aggressor with a large scale military operation.... AGAIN!! It was roundly chastised by both the USA and Britain in the discussions on UN resolution 228. The rest of your supposed defence is *CLANG*-empty semantics
HBendor, you say that is a map of Es Samu in Israel Yes, you do. Right there in your post [points up] In fact HBendor, what you have shown us is a map of the West Bank!!!. It is part of the State of Palestine. It is laughably not Israel. The proof follows here: In fact your map was taken from the website www.poica.org whose mission is the "Monitoring Israeli Colonialization activities in the Palestinian Territories. And Borat like it!! Oh how you guys are tripping, stumbling and falling trying to dredge up semantics and lies like this one to try frantically to "prove" that Israel is not the aggressor over 65 years, blaming the Palestinians. Your MYTHs and legends; your mantras; they are all crumbling.
As Erskine Childers advised, always check the Zionist claims as to the truth: A) Muslim theocracies in the UN: 9 (Nine) - http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_Countries_use_the_Theocracy_in_todays_world B) African dictatorships in the UN: 17 (Seventeen) - http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question112522.html C) Total: 26 D) Definition of "Dominate": - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dominate : to have control of or power over (someone or something) : to be the most important part of (something) : to be much more powerful or successful than others in a game, competition, etc. So, according to Borat there are 26 countries out oif the 192 UN Members, none of which have the veto, and only two of which are members of the UN Security Council, and they DOMINATE the UN; they CONTROL it; they are a MAJORITY; they are the MOST IMPORTANT CONSTITUENTS. Borat, we applaud the rate at which you pull myths out of your hat. Is that all the ammunition that you have left? Just like HBendor, you have also been caught out again. I will leave the issue of "brains" out of my discussion.
Until, of course, the next time Israel goes whining to the UN over some perceived Palestinian misbehaviour...then Israel pays a great deal of attention to the UN; an organisation which, frankly, is sick and tired of its time being taken up dealing with Israel's serial law-breaking activities. http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=34059
Strawman Alert!!! We are still waiting for proof of your claim that "cross-border military actions etc are not called "invasions" in international law". Your latest attempt at a deflection just shows the fragility of your position.
If Jordan has sent the same size military force into Israel, Israel would have surely called it an "invasion".
