The Roman Empire invaded and occupied the ancient Israelites. Roman records and histories and documents show no Palestinians, only Jews. And the Jews kept rebelling against Roman rule and trying to drive them out. After suppressing the Bar Kochba Revolt, the Romans divided it up and renamed part of it called Judah as Syria-Palaestina (where the modern word 'Palestine' actually derives from) and changed the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina. Arabs know all this full well. 113 years ago in 1899, Yusuf Diya al-Khalidi, the Arab mayor of Jerusalem wrote this: "Who can challenge the rights of the Jews in Palestine? Good Lord, historically it is really your country." 635 years ago in 1377, Arab scholar and historian Ibn Khaldun wrote this: "Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel extended over 1400 years. It was the Jews who implanted the culture and customs of the permanent settlement". So no, the Jews did not steal what's been theirs for thousands of years. They're trying to hold onto what's theirs from those who would take it from them. And I suggest you get yourself properly educated in the subject instead of believing the nonsensical claims made by the ignorant and/or racist ppl.
Guy. The prob is that ppl don't believe that the jewish ppl who run Israel today are the true descendants, ie they are not blood related, that's the crux. It is said that they are european converts. Since anybody can convert who is to know the intnention of said convert. I mean fam is fam, they die 4 eachother but an adoptee?? well, it can sway either way, that's the prob.
Most of the Jews at that time either converted to Christianity or Islam, or stayed Jewish and lived on that land along side the Muslims and Christians. The Zionists, it's founder and who some consider the founder of modern day "Israel", was a Hungarian Jew. Both Khazar and Ashkenazi Jews are converts. So how does a convert, who spoke Yiddish more than Hebrew, have religious rights to this land? The Jews living Palestine before Zionism entered the region lived happy lives with their Muslim and Christian neighbors. Why when the Zionists came, this changed? سلام
The DNA analysis of the Israeli population completely refutes your [already irrelevant] point. The overwhelming number of Israelis have the Y-chromosome proving their Middle-Eastern origin. It's equally absurd to believe or claim that the Arab/Muslim world would welcome and embrace Israel if they somehow started to believe that they are "the true descendents". Nothing can be more naive and further from the truth.
So your argument is that because Roman records don't contain anachronisms, Jews have a right to Israel? Roman records don't talk of a people that didn't exist as they now exist, because they would need a time machine to do so. However, the idea that there is no record of non-Jewish people in what is now Palestine is extraordinarily stupid. But here is where things get really silly. It is actually modern Palestinians who are the descendants of ancient Jews, not European Jews who were to a very large extent converts. And Palestinians are descendants of ancient Jews, but are themselves also converts, but this time to Islam. http://mondoweiss.net/2008/09/israe...re-biological-descendants-of-bibles-jews.html Having said all that, what does any of it mean? Does it mean that the Arabs of Palestine have a "right" to that land? I don't know. What I do know, is that we should respect the basic dignity of people. That we should not hinder a persons ability to live their lives, to provide for themselves and their family, to live in their homes, etc. Those are all things the Israelis do and more. They demolish Palestinian villages, on land inside the occupied territory. They allow their settlers to take from the native Palestinian population what it will. They allow their soldiers to infringe on safety and freedom of Palestinians. They set up road blocks, imprison children, kill people, and terrorize the Palestinian people. I do not object to any claim Israelis have to land based on whatever legitimate or faulty premise. What I object to is the fact that after Israelis claimed the land, they committed terrible crimes against the Palestinian people and continue to do so. If Jews want to live in Palestine, most reasonable people are fine with that, as long as they live in peace with their neighbors and respect their basic dignity and freedoms. At the moment, the Israelis don't, and until they do I really don't care about some genetic test which says one group has lived in the region longer(as if that establishes an objective right to control an entire region), because it doesn't really matter.
I emphatically disagree with the actual relevance and context sensitivity of your first point but could agree somewhat with your second. Two good points none the less.
All Im gonna say is THIS WEBSITE IS SLOW AS A SNAIL lol. Riight, I got on. Borat, it is entirely relevant. It is 50% of the issue. The other 50 is what you stated. That they may not care anyway. This is where your 50 comes into play, might is right, right? hahaha
Personally I don't see it this way, the claims that Israelis are not real jews/decedents are far from the primary or mainstream arguments against Israel's existence, they are very rarely brought up even by the Arabs. Nevertheless the Y-chromosome thing is real and it's a conclusive proof that the Israeli jews are genetically Middle-Easterners, not Europeans. The website is slow indeed. I blame the Zionists
This is complete crap and totally transparent Zionist propaganda, selective and cynical. Here's a little quote for you-from the father of modern 'Israel': 'Why should Arabs make peace? If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. This is natural; we have taken their country' David Ben Gurion You, my friend, are the one with a lack of education.
A good place to start is at the beginning - BEFORE The Romans - BEFORE the so-called "israelites " Start with the non-Jews/ - The Canaanites , did they evaporate or did the barbaric runway slaves calling themselves Hebrews - exterminate them ? Go learn , the "Jews " were'nt then known as Joos, were they . ? Perhaps you should follow your own advice and "get properly educated" tatty-byeeee ... ......
Israel is the land for the Jewish people. Anyone who doesn't like that can go to war with them. They will lose. That is your belief and you are free to believe and express it. Regardless, Israel is the land of the Jewish people and death and destruction will follow anyone who disagrees.
Jesus cursed the fig tree, which represents Israel, saying, "May you never bear fruit again!" (Mat. 21:1.
Nobody believes you are a Christian Margot. "He will raise a flag among the nations for Israel to rally around. He will gather the scattered people of Judah from the ends of the earth." Isaiah 11:12 (NLT) "The time is coming when my people will take root. Israel will bud and blossom and fill the whole earth with her fruit!" Isaiah 27:6 (NLT) "'Do not be afraid, for I am with you. I will gather you and your children from east and west and from north and south. I will bring my sons and daughters back to Israel from the distant corners of the earth. All who claim me as their God will come, for I have made them for my glory. It was I who created them." Isaiah 43:5-7 (NLT) "Who has ever seen or heard of anything as strange as this? Has a nation ever been born in a single day? Has a country ever come forth in a mere moment? But by the time Jerusalem's birth pains begin, the baby will be born; the nation will come forth." Isaiah 66:8 (NLT) "'But the time is coming,' says the Lord, 'when people who are taking an oath will no longer say, 'As surely as the Lord lives, who rescued the people of Israel from the land of Egypt.' Instead, they will say, 'As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the people of Israel back to their own land from the land of the north and from all the countries to which he had exiled them.' For I will bring them back to this land that I gave their ancestors." Jeremiah 16:14-15 (NLT) "'But I will gather together the remnant of my flock from wherever I have driven them. I will bring them back into their own fold, and they will be fruitful and increase in number. Then I will appoint responsible shepherds to care for them, and they will never be afraid again. Not a single one of them will be lost or missing,' says the Lord. 'For the time is coming,' says the Lord, 'when I will place a righteous Branch on King David's throne. He will be a King who rules with wisdom. He will do what is just and right throughout the land. And this is his name: 'The Lord Is Our Righteousness.' In that day Judah will be saved, and Israel will live in safety. 'In that day,' says the Lord, 'when people are taking an oath, they will no longer say, 'As surely as the Lord lives, who rescued the people of Israel from the land of Egypt.' Instead, they will say, 'As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the people of Israel back to their own land from the land of the north and from all the countries to which he had exiled them.' Then they will live in their own land." Jeremiah 23:3-8 (NLT) "I will end your captivity and restore your fortunes. I will gather you out of the nations where I sent you and bring you home again to your own land." Jeremiah 29:14 (NLT) "For the time is coming when I will restore the fortunes of my people of Israel and Judah. I will bring them home to this land that I gave to their ancestors, and they will possess it and live here again. I, the Lord, have spoken!" Jeremiah 30:3 (NLT) "I will surely bring my people back again from all the countries where I will scatter them in my fury. I will bring them back to this very city and let them live in peace and safety." Jeremiah 32:37 (NLT) "Therefore, give the exiles this message from the Sovereign Lord: Although I have scattered you in the countries of the world, I will be a sanctuary to you during your time in exile. I, the Sovereign Lord, will gather you back from the nations where you were scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel once again." Ezekiel 11:16-17 (NLT) "When I bring you home from exile, you will be as pleasing to me as an offering of perfumed incense. And I will display my holiness in you as all the nations watch. Then when I have brought you home to the land I promised your ancestors, you will know that I am the Lord." Ezekiel 20:41-42 (NLT) "This is what the Sovereign Lord says: The people of Israel will again live in their own land, the land I gave my servant Jacob. For I will gather them from the distant lands where I have scattered them. I will reveal to the nations of the world my holiness among my people. They will live safely in Israel and build their homes and plant their vineyards. And when I punish the neighboring nations that treated them with contempt, they will know that I am the Lord their God." Ezekiel 28:25-26 (NLT) "I will be like a shepherd looking for his scattered flock. I will find my sheep and rescue them from all the places to which they were scattered on that dark and cloudy day. I will bring them back home to their own land of Israel from among the peoples and nations. I will feed them on the mountains of Israel and by the rivers in all the places where people live. Yes, I will give them good pastureland on the high hills of Israel. There they will lie down in pleasant places and feed in lush mountain pastures." Ezekiel 34:12-14 (NLT) "And give them this message from the Sovereign Lord: I will gather the people of Israel from among the nations. I will bring them home to their own land from the places where they have been scattered. I will unify them into one nation in the land. One king will rule them all; no longer will they be divided into two nations." Ezekiel 37:21-22 (NLT) "So now the Sovereign Lord says: I will end the captivity of my people; I will have mercy on Israel, for I am jealous for my holy reputation! They will accept responsibility for their past shame and treachery against me after they come home to live in peace and safety in their own land. And then no one will bother them or make them afraid. When I bring them home from the lands of their enemies, my holiness will be displayed to the nations. Then my people will know that I am the Lord their God - responsible for sending them away to exile and responsible for bringing them home. I will leave none of my people behind. And I will never again turn my back on them, for I will pour out my Spirit upon them, says the Sovereign Lord." Ezekiel 39:25-29 (NLT) "In that day I will restore the fallen kingdom of David. It is now like a house in ruins, but I will rebuild its walls and restore its former glory. And Israel will possess what is left of Edom and all the nations I have called to be mine. I, the Lord, have spoken, and I will do these things. 'The time will come,' says the Lord, 'when the grain and grapes will grow faster than they can be harvested. Then the terraced vineyards on the hills of Israel will drip with sweet wine! I will bring my exiled people of Israel back from distant lands, and they will rebuild their ruined cities and live in them again. They will plant vineyards and gardens; they will eat their crops and drink their wine. I will firmly plant them there in the land I have given them,' says the Lord your God. 'Then they will never be uprooted again.'" Amos 9:11-15 (NLT)
And no body believes you lived in Jordan or visited Saudi Arabia or witnessed an honor killing. The article "The Jewish National Fund Land Purchase Methods and Priorities, 1924-1939" by Kenneth W. Stein states that "by May 1948 Jews acquired approximately 2,000,000 of Palestines 26,000,000 dunams." This is approximately 7.69% of the land, not 92%. The booklet "Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict" by Jews for Justice in the Middle East states that "in 1948, at the moment that Israel declared itself a state, it legally owned a little more than 6% of the land of Palestine." Jesus said the fig tree would no longer bear fruit.. and Revelation says there is no Temple for Jesus and the lamb ar the Temple. Most of that 6% was purchased from absentee Turkish landowners.
Poppycock . its just another load of Zionist crap concocted to justify the land grab. DNA Analysis carried out by team of Pro-Zionists "geneticists" a report paid for by Zionists ? BoRat ever heard of : "He who pays the piper calls the tune " ? ..
I've no reason to disbelieve Margot , been reading her posts since I joined here. Perhaps not a fanatical Christian (like some) but - IMO an open-minded person. btw - do you really believe all that Bible bunkum you posted ? Who wrote it ? ...
Where was gawd during 1940s The Nazi genocide years ? "For God so loved the world that he drowned everyone in it.--(Athwart Babbit) God hated the world so much that he sent his only son so that whoever does not believe in him will perish and be denied eternal life.--(God's Ex-wife Amen. ...
What sometimes passes for Christianity is bad theology and political ambitions.. You can't shatter the Commandments and call yourself a Christian.
twisted thinking. he was there, just like he will be with the jewish people in the coming great war where many of them will die. They will be victorious but God will put the through trials and tribulations for rejected the messiah.
Who's the "he " ? If you're daft enough to believe that rubbish , fine , but please dont expect everyone else to be that stupid. Sounds like you're just regurgitating a load of American Fundamentalist Evangelical BS . Is that so ? I'm still waiting - Who wrote that crap you posted. ? ..
