Who is the war in Ukraine helping?

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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    - include results of previous recent wars if helpful

    Not the population of eastern Ukraine who were the first to suffer from the 'aid' the Biden administration sent to Kyiv. When the 'aid' arrived the shells exploding in Donbas increased from a few shells per day to '20 or 30' times that number.
     
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    Not those of the population of western Ukraine who had been trained and armed over the previous 7 years by NATO

    which were soon being sent to fight the Russian forces brought in to protect eastern Ukraine.

    Being paid to train in the military is the good bit, having to fight is more dangerous.
     
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    Nobody in Russia

    According to our totally honest media the Russian armed forces in Ukraine have been destroyed and humiliated by our modern weapons in the hands of the brave Ukrainian armed forces.

    So it must be somebody in the US or at least someone in NATO.
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Who is the war in Ukraine benefiting?

    Anyone who gets a good profit from making weapons:
    some European weapons makers, and the US 'defense industry', which pushes around weak and senile Presidents.

    From Feb 2014 to the end of the Obama administration and through the Trump administration there was only a very low-level conflict in Ukraine, of the UAF shelling the breakaway republics, a few shells a day. Then in comes Biden, and the democrat Congress send lots of weapons (code name 'aid') to Kyiv and in Feb 2022 it turns into a conflagration and Russia has to intervene, as promised.

    After that the US weapons makers got a lot more money.
     
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    If the US-backed side loses all that does is educate the public to spend even more money on weapons and sooner.
     
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    While we fund a European war, Europe triangulates.

    Macron Makes 'No Apology' For China Trip Comments As EU Leadership Warms To 'Anti-US' Message
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    'French President Emmanuel Macron's message of building "strategic autonomy" away from the United States - which to Washington's dismay he voiced loudly during his visit with Xi Jinping in China (at a very awkward moment too given Taiwan happenings) - is naturally gaining positive reception in Europe, where chair of the European Council Charles Michel hailed "a leap forward on strategic autonomy compared to several years ago."'

    'His comments were to the delight of Beijing (a "parting gift to Xi"), an Élysée official has stressed in the face of the controversy that President Macron "makes no apology for what he's said" during the China trip.'

    'while speaking with reporters immediately following his time spent with Xi, the French President said that the "great risk" facing Europe right now is that it "gets caught up in crises that are not ours, which prevents it from building its strategic autonomy."'

    "If the tensions between the two superpowers heat up … we won’t have the time nor the resources to finance our strategic autonomy'

    'Russia, China, Iran and other countries have been hit by U.S. sanctions in recent years that are based on denying access to the dominant dollar-denominated global financial system. Some in Europe have complained about "weaponization" of the dollar by Washington, which forces European companies to give up business and cut ties with third countries or face crippling secondary sanctions.'

    'While sitting in the stateroom of his A330 aircraft in a hoodie with the words “French Tech” emblazoned on the chest, Macron claimed to have already “won the ideological battle on strategic autonomy” for Europe.'

    Let Europe fund their own defense.
     
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    https://thehill.com/policy/defense/...biggest-revelations-from-the-us-leaks-so-far/

    Ukraine air defense systems in peril
    'Munitions for Soviet-era air defense systems deployed by Ukraine will soon run out, potentially imperiling Kyiv in the war against Russia.'

    'The S300 missile defense system is expected to run out of munitions by May and the SA-11 Gadfly system at the end of March'

    'Both systems make up about 89 percent of Ukraine’s air defenses and are vital to fending off frequent Russian missile strikes.'

    'The Pentagon documents suggested that Ukraine could withstand only a few more waves of Russian missile strikes.'

    'the U.S. is doubting Kyiv’s ability to retake significant territory'

    'February assessment indicates “force generation and sustainment shortfall” for Ukraine’s military'

    DESPITE BIDEN'S BURBLING 'the documents paint a darker picture, with Kyiv likely to struggle against entrenched Russian positions in southeastern Ukraine and with “deficiencies” in training and munitions'

    US SOURCES EXPOSED

    'The documents also contain information about Russia’s forces in Ukraine, which the U.S. obtained through intelligence gathering.'
     
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    The weapons makers (code name: 'Defense Industry') are not as concerned about whether the US wins or loses, as they are about how much money they get.
     
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    Xi & Zelensky Hold "Long & Meaningful" Call In 1st Since War Began
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    'They agreed "China would send a special representative to Ukraine to hold talks with all parties on resolving the 'crisis'".'

    Afghanistan is now more aligned with China than they are with us.
    Iraq is more aligned with Iran than they are with us.

    If we end up in world conflict between the China/Russia/Iran sphere vs the US aligned sphere, Zelensky would join the China aligned sphere if they offered him a dollar more than we did.
     
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