Who should get fired for the Afghanistan Crisis?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by HB Surfer, Aug 20, 2021.

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Who should be fired for the Afghanistan withdraw? (unlimited choices)

  1. President Joe Biden

    64.7%
  2. Vice President Kamala Harris

    35.3%
  3. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin

    47.1%
  4. Joint Chiefs Chairmain General Mark Milley

    47.1%
  5. Secretary of State Antony Blinken

    41.2%
  6. None - Everything is Trump's Fault - Impeach Trump again!

    29.4%
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  1. HB Surfer

    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Clearly, every honest American knows the Afghanistan withdraw was a complete shitshow.

    We cannot let the morons that approved the withdraw plans remain in power. They are too incapable, not smart, and an absolute danger to the U.S.A. We are not safe as a nation with them in charge.

    So the question is... who should be fired?
     
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    61falcon Well-Known Member

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    Where are Dirty Donald and Pompeo who decided to negotiate a peace deal and withdrawal of American forces to occur May 1,2021 after they left office . And before agreeing to it they made absolutely no plans for the withdrawal
     
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    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thanks for the thread bump.

    Perhaps you can start a thread on that instead of derailing one where you cannot handle the actual topic?

    Trump and Pompeo have been gone for 8 months. The deal they made was violated long long ago and they would not have kept it like the idiot Democrats did.

    This is 100% on the Biden Administration and the Democrats running it.
     
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    Flynn from Az Well-Known Member

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    Maybe you haven’t got the memo, but Biden is president now.
     
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    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They do this on nearly every thread now. Check the early posts in nearly every thread. They are constantly trying to derail threads, so as to not talk about the train wreck the Biden Administration is.

    I created a rule at another site I used to moderate / council member on. It was any off topic post in the first 20 posts of a new thread is deleted and the offender is warned or infracted (if they keep doing it). It cleaned up the threads real quick and suddenly we could have real discussions. Instead we get derails, trolling, and flame baiting by Leftists that don't want to discuss topics that expose the enormous flaws of the Democrats / Leftists. Every topic to them is about the Bad Orange Man.

    The staff here ought to consider a change.
     
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    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    It's their white flag way of admitting they can't defend the moron in office. Rolling over to expose the soft underbelly.
     
  7. HB Surfer

    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is what all these derail attempts really are. The Leftists have zero content they can share on the actual topics, because even CNN isn't giving them directions. They are having to dig down to DailyKos, MediaMatters level of idiocy to tell them what to think.
     
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    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    Suddenly the "no more mean tweets" and "he's not Trump" ring hollow when asked for Bidet's 'accomplishments'.....what an embarrassment to have voted for this clown. They have literally ran out of material, like I warned them they would.
     
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    Biden, at the next election.
     
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    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They are not chess players. Hell, they can barely play checkers. Just look how incredibly dumb their leadership is. They have hurt U.S. Internationally in such a significant way that all their complaints about Trump are dwarfed by their massive **** up.

    You're right of course. The U.S. people are going to punish the Democrats in 2022. Let's hope they start with Newsom in September this year.
     
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    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He won't be running. He will either get the 25th Amendment, Impeached and Convicted by the Senate, or just go like Lyndon B. Johnson.

    Joe Biden is a senile booger eating idiot. He's the perfect representative for today's Democratic Party.
     
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    As Dirty Donald was for the Greedy Old Party, a total lying sack of orange **** !!
     
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    Are you simply incapable of staying on topic? Your constant deflections only make Bidet look even more pathetic. It's all you have left.
     
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    In the poll you did not have a box for ALL THE ABOVE.
     
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    Who should get fired? The Afghans in charge of a government so corrupt and riddled with Taliban that it folded like
    a cheap suit.
     
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    And Trump was such a sack of crap that old, senile Joe kicked his ass.
    Both parties put up crap candidates, and voters kicked the biggest pile of crap out of office.
     
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    I understand Kamala probably didn’t have much to do with Afghanistan but she’s just as bad as Biden with her utterly dismal performance on the border. Both of them should go.
     
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    Good point. My bad.
     
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    HB Surfer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That wasn't the tune you were singing about Joe Biden during the election. How the worm has turned.
     
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    All of the above. Even a small turd in the water jug pollutes the whole thing.
     
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    It's not exactly fantastic to have Biden for a president.
     
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    No, just no. The establishment forced Joe upon the people.
    Trump actually won, and that wasn't good enough for the dipshits in charge, because they're retards.
    They thought they knew better.
    They thought they knew better in Afghanistan, too.
    I think they were wrong. Every single time. Prove me wrong. :)
     
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    It really is getting bad with the derailments. These are the same people who will scream WHATSBOUTISM if you mention Obama or Clinton. They are intellectually lacking big time, but then again, Biden isn’t leaving them any room to argue. If the left was the Titanic, Biden is the iceberg.
     
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    Trump is in your choice list.
     
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    Looks like a good place to drop this:

    My heart breaks right now for the people of Afghanistan, and for our allies who are trapped in the country and surrounded by the Taliban. This was a disaster that never had to happen, and I hope they are evacuated quickly and safely.

    I'm seeing Republicans claim that Trump would have handled the situation far better—and I know for a fact that's just not true. Until 2020, I was a national security staffer for the Trump administration, until I quit after seeing just how incompetent and cruel he was. Afghanistan was no exception.

    I sat in cabinet meetings about getting Americans and our Afghan allies out of the country. In them, Stephen Miller would peddle his racist hysteria. He and his enablers across the government undermined anyone who worked on solving the issues in getting special immigrant visas (SIVs) for our Afghan allies by undermining the system at Homeland Security and the State Department.

    I tracked this issue personally in my role at the White House. I met with many refugee advocate organizations who pleaded for help in getting U.S. allies through the process.

    But we got nowhere because Trump and Miller had watchdogs in place at the Justice Department, Homeland Security, State and other agencies that made an already cumbersome SIV process even more challenging.

    The system wouldn’t budge, no matter how much we argued in National Security Council meetings. The Pentagon weighed in, saying we needed to get these allies through the process. Mattis and others sent memos trying to help. We all knew the urgency, but we were blocked at every turn.

    Good people within the Trump Administration tried to counter Miller's obstruction, but their fear of retaliation was palpable. Numerous closed door meetings were held, strategizing how to navigate this issue.

    Trump had four years to develop a plan. We could have used that time to lay the groundwork to evacuate our Afghan allies. They were the lifelines for many of us who spent time in Afghanistan.

    They’d been waiting a long time, all the while under the threat of death at the hands of the Taliban. The process slowed to a trickle for reviews and “other priorities.” Ultimately, they came to a halt.

    I have one thing to say to Trump's defenders who are making blanket statements and pushing false narratives about Afghanistan: please, just stop. Some of you were actively involved in making it harder to get our Afghan allies to safety. Your comments are uninformed and hurtful. And we see right through you.

    I’m grateful for everyone now advocating the urgency of getting our allies out of Afghanistan ASAP and those who are doing everything they can to help. This is a matter of national security.

    Most importantly, it’s the least we can do for these individuals. The world is watching.

    Olivia Troye
    Director, Republican Accountability Project​

    From an email. Her bolding.
     

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