Who The NRA Really Speaks For

I'm sorry, did you just blame the NRA for Operation Fast and Furious?

You mean the operation lead by the BATFE, who happens to have a laundry list of false arrests, imprisonments, mass murder, illegal search/seizure/wiretap/fake warrant actions and too many other things to mention?

Are you claiming that the NRA is in charge of the BATFE?

Who was it that executed Executive Privilege to avoid it? Oh yeah Obama. Does he work for the NRA too?

If you're going to slander the NRA at least come with better material than this.

 

The problem is that there is not, in this politicized era and a biased media, the chance to have unbiased research done. You say the opposition will tear apart faulty research. Yes, but if the faults in the research are not publicized, don't get on the nightly news but the anti-gun people repeat the faulty research over and over and over, it will wind up being a form of conventional wisdom. Consider the "one in five" women are sexually assaulted on college campuses. That number from a small study of a few people on two colleges done by a student has been debunked by facts and Justice department statistics many times.

Yet the leftists, including Obama still publicly quote it and demand action to solve a problem that is not nearly as calamitous as described. They are STILL quoting that false stat. Like Joseph Goebbels, Hitler's propaganda minister said, tell a big lie enough times and it becomes the truth.

They will do the same things regarding firearms. Politicized researchers, will manipulate data, cherry pick information to come to a political conclusion. They do it all the time. Professor John Lott continuously provides the facts and data that blow up the gun grabber's proclamations (like the one about places where gun control is highest being less violent than places where it is lowest). But you hear the gun grabber's over and over and over in the news, on TMZ, Obama, in Hollywood, leftist commentators, Washington Post editorial writers repeat the falsehood and have wide exposure whereas Professor Lott's counter argument is nowhere to be seen except maybe on Fox News, or in conservative blog.

I don't want to give tax money to politicized government research which then acquires a presumption of truth because many people still somehow trust the government, even in the age of Obama.

 

There is no such thing as high capacity magazines.

There are normal capacity magazines, and socialist utopia magazines.

 

You understand felons, minors, and the mentally ill are already prohibited from firearms possession, don't you? So what are these "reasonable" laws whereof you speak? How would more laws to restrict guns to folks who shouldn't have them work better than the ones we already have which do the same thing?

 

You realize there already a background check system in place, right? Look up NICS. It was advocated for and helped put into legislation by the NRA. Besides, the devil in the "universal background check" is in the details. Some radical gun control jurisdictions have proposed a "universal background check" that will require a father to get a background check on his son to give him a shotgun for Christmas (my dad gave me one when I was 7). It would disallow me to lend my neighbor a shotgun to go goose hunting, or allow a my brother to shoot my rifles at the range if he was right next to me without a background check (yes, its that ridiculous). The "Universal background check" legislation proposed in some areas also is a backdoor method for registration.

"Would you like everyone who buys a firearm to have a background check to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill?" Why, sure, you say. Right up until all the "Universal Background Check" little details are revealed. Ask the question honestly and see if you get NRA members to say yes.

 

That quote perfectly describes the "global warming" hoax.

 

Yeah, when leftists are losing they try to change the language. Gun control becomes "gun safety". "Global warming" becomes "climate change". Standard capacity magazines that are what the gun was designed to use become "high capacity magazines". Modern semi-automatic sporting rifles become "assault weapons". They are really quite facile in that exercise of duplicity.

 

You must have meant this post for someone else since I was not the one blaming the rich. My argument has always been that UBC's does not equate into taking guns away. I cannot be more clearer than that other than the fact you must have a fetish for conspiracy theries.

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the current CEO pf the NRA is a former VP of Corning, Inc. what makes this appointment interesting is that Corning's specialty materials department is a major contractor for the DoD and some of those materials are used for the production of certain weapons exclusive for US special operations units. In other words, the Head honcho on the NRA speaks for the gun lobbyists and not your "average American" gun owner. Simply being a gun enthusiast is too much of a simplistic viewpoint of some.

 

I hear ya. I was just trying to convey a point and speaking a lingo that he could understand.

 

You think felons or ex felons have a neon sign that says "I am a felon" hanging above their head?

A felon finds it very easy to purchase a firearm legally, read no background checks, without even having a fear of being caught. Just need the $$$$$ to buy it and that is all.

 

well of course he speaks for the gun lobbyists silly. They are part of the RKBA supporters. They give money to the NRA too. I support gun manufacturers 100%. Especially american based ones. Hipoint, Jimenez, Masterpiece Arms, cobra, Ruger etc. etc. all great companies who put out great products. I am happy they are on our side.

 

That illegal.

 

Oh I see what you're saying. Corning makes stuff, stuff gets used to make guns, therefore the former Corning VP is in bed with the gun lobbyists.

Yeah who could miss that obvious conspiracy.

Guess what? There are a lot of DoD contractors.

Looks like Bill Gates is involved in the conspiracy too since he's a DoD contractor as well. Maybe he'll be the next NRA head?

 

No, some gun dealers and gun manufacturers. The flow of illicit firearms into Mexico and other areas cannot be stemmed unless the varisou law enforcement agencies, state and federal, have the resources to combat such transactions. This is where UBC's will come into play along with a few other improvements under the law.

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And yet, these felons can obtain firaarms without even the fear of getting caught.

 

You missed the point.

BTW, Bill Gates would never become the NRA President because he is too liberal and you would believe he would take your rights away.

 

And yet you believe gun lobbyists are the average American gun owner? If 87% of all gun owners say that they want background checks, are those gun owners still part of the RKBA?

 

you dont have a clue what your talking about. Felons get caught with illegal firearms all the time. They cannot just walk into a store to buy them so they steal them. they get caught with stolen guns and they go to jail. In one post you clearly state that they can just go out an buy them legally. That is not true. You dont know the laws and are just making things up to push gun control.

BTW, I am for ex felons being able to regain their gun rights after serving their time and proving they are no longer a threat to society.There is a process for this. They can earn their 2nd amendment rights back if they are willing to work for it.

 

And that's exactly why I used him as an example.

 

The cartels are using military weapons that they buy from their friends in the military forces in Latin America. They don't need civilian guns.
http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-mexico-arms-race15-2009mar15-story.html
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/09/weapon-of-choice-ak-47s-price.html
https://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110209-mexicos-gun-supply-and-90-percent-myth

 

True, he's given millions to gun control organizations.

 

I appreciate your opinion. I just can't get behind the idea that not knowing is better than knowing. I don't want to waste tax money either. This is not a political issue to me, it's a legal one. I'm not going to get into speculating about what they will or will not do in the legislature, or into spreading propaganda, Obama, or any of that.

If science can tell us things, if statistics can give us odds and probability (and they can,) then research can define the problem (and it does.) Once we know where the problem actually is, we can begin to address it in a way that doesn't waste money.

Now, looking from the outside in, completely cutting the CDC funding to research gun violence for the last 9 years seems like someone doesn't want the problem to be defined. If the NRA lobbyists are correct, research will bear that out. If they aren't correct and they want to maintain their political influence, then supporting legislation to stop all research funding to the CDC helps do that. It also makes everything the NRA lobbyists say propoganda, because they don't have research to back up their claims… like the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

What they need to know is that other places besides the CDC can do research too. Sooner or later, the research is going to be done. Some is being done by NIH, and some is being done by hospitals and other groups.

NO ONE is going to take away law abiding citizens' guns. That paranoia has to stop. There are more guns than people in the US. Confiscation is physically impossible to accomplish.

One last thought as a responsible gun owner... responsible gun owners need to take the lead on this issue, not just act as obstructionists. The American people have shown they want action on the issue of sensible gun control laws and it will be part of the next presidential election. If responsible gun owners step up, offer, and be part of the solution, there is no need for gun grabbers to push their agenda. If only hard core 2nd Amendment radical gun owners that want absolutely no restrictions or changes to the laws whatsoever on gun purchasing and owning, then you're going to see moderates side with the gun grabbers… and there are more moderates than there are hard core 2As or gun grabbers.

If you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

 

sounds nice and all but none of it matters when you have the levels of government corruption and social re-engineering that we have. You say nobody is going to confiscate guns from law abiding citizens....well they will just make new and unconstitutional laws...done. Look up the the Lautenberg amendment if you need an example.

Then you add in all the accusations that gun owners, RKBA advocates, NRA etc are terrorists meanwhile we have real terrorist acting out Jihad in our own country, promoting it, racist leaders screaming kill the white man etc. etc. all being given the pass.

Any compromise at this point will mean further erosion of rights on the issue.

all the research you suggest is fine and dandy but in the end research and studies in this day and age have been shown over and over to be just as corrupted as our political process. Sad to say but even scientists have little credibility anymore unless they have a long established career of ethical practices.

In the end its all just Pseudo reform and incrementalism pushed by a political agenda which aims to take rights away from the citizenry. Its hard to listen to liberals one week justify cutting up babies for profit and then another scream about banning rights (which is what gun control really is) for the safety of people. all the rest is just spin doctors and people on the internet (often paid) getting spin talking points and flooding the media to sway public opinion. None of this has worked of course as gun sales are record highs and concealed carry is everywhere for the most part. You can say gun owners and NRA members are for more gun control but I have never met one (and I know a lot).

Thats another question I have....where are these polls done and with who. If you ask the majority of gun owners if they own a gun they will say No. Meanwhile they are packing a concealed 9mm or 380 in a hide out holster. If someone was to ask myself how I feel about gun control I would ignore them.

so people can throw out stats all they want. How they get them is a mystery to me. How they keep things accurate and reliable is even more of a mystery. The national trend is to buy guns (lots of them), ammo (lots of it), and legally carry a weapon. Look at the trend in handgun sales say 1980-1990 compared to today. its pretty fascinating.

The only compromise I see in regards to Constitutional Rights Control would be for antis to go out and start buying guns and practicing safety. after all every responsible gun owner is one more responsible gun owner who is able to defend themselves and not be a burden to society. Not be an easy target for criminals and put others in danger.

So its not the gun owners and advocates of the RKBA that are the problem. Its the pseudo reform anti rights groups that are the problem now and always have been. They simply want to push an anti constitutional agenda thats soul purpose is to violate the rights of every citizen...male or female, black or white, gay or straight. These anti rights groups have become a cancer to the citizens rights. without Pro rights groups like the NRA, JPFO etc. etc we would be in a lot of trouble. Therefore the next tactic is to demonize these groups....IE...the NRA is racist, terrorist, doesnt speak for its members etc. etc. I can tell you this....The NRA speaks for its members a hell of a lot more than the US Government speaks for its citizens.

so maybe we need a new study and go ask some NRA members who they trust more....government or the NRA. I think the results would shock a lot of the anti rights groups.

Personally I think we need a lot more organizations fighting for our rights. RKBA or otherwise.

 

False. Those who most support gun rights do not like how often and in how many times the NRA has joined with liberals and anti-gun advocates. Rather, solid gun rights folks support the Gun Owners Of America.

Nearly everyone who posts on this thread actually will know NOTHING about the NRA other than what their masters tell them to think. Hillary Clinton is no different. Despite what she said that negotiating with the NRA is the same as Iranians and communists, the number of times she has negotiated with the NA is exactly never.

Gun owners don't care what the NRA leadership thinks and are not mindless sheeple who agree with everything the NRA said the way partisan sheeple do towards their ideological masters and manipulators.

 

The NRA is a great organization. Were it not for them, there'd be no second amendment remaining. They support sane laws and liberty. I support the NRA.

 

There is no way in Hades that you are a gun owner and fin d fault with the
NRA.Unless you are an illegal gun owner or purchased a gun to prove that
it's possible to own a gun and hate a gun owners group.
There is no wiggle room here.Unless for some Political reason you
are acting out like Gabby Giffords and her mate who were once big proud
Gun Onwers and patrons of the NRA until Rabid Political Nazis like Nancy
Pelosi and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz decided to virtually Co-op the
very mind of Gabby Giffords as she was leaving surgery after her shooting.
That is precisely what Pelosi and Wasserman-Schultz did.
They camped out in the hospital that performed her surgery waiting with
bated breath until they could cuckold her political bent on Guns with
political expediency and who done it.