Whoops, abortion support isn't increasing after all...

I'm sick and retarded of these stupid laws that protect unborn babies/fetuses in non abortion situations. Hypocricy.

We have no problem with pain-feeling, sentinent, concious, fully developed fetuses/babies in the womb that are in their third trimester, being brutally, like from some Nazi concentration camp, tortured and ripped open in graphic NC-17 ways, and yet there are all of these laws that if a pregnant women gets hurt, the punishment that the criminal gets is higher than usual.

If you really think about it, pro abortion people are actually far more worse and evil than Hitler or Nazi Germany. I can explain why I think that way if you want me to do so.

And, don't give me these lies and these myths over here at all, Fugazi

1-Elective late term abortions are illegal, only if the mother's life or her health is at danger

First of all, the health of the mother is just a loophole that pro abortion people use. The health of the mother is also twisted to mean "the emotional health" of the mother, which basically means that it's just an elective late term abortion that she just wants to have for totally elective purposes.

2-Late term abortions are very rare.

Yeah, so what? They're still wrong, right, aren't they?

Obama has the nerve to cry at his speech, yet simply just shrug his shoulders at these things? He's such a big hypocrite.

 

There may be a tiny bit of truth in this statement, LOL!

So that is why late-term abortions are illegal? You've been reading too much right-wing propaganda.

That's what we said, i.e. "Elective late term abortions are illegal except if the woman's life or health is endangered.

That you would even dream of describing the "health of the woman" as a LOOPHOLE is beyond words. "The emotional health" of the woman is a real problem for pregnant women who need psychiatic drugs to remain mentally stable, but those same drugs cause birth defects. A woman is unlikely to get medical personnel to agree that abortion is the best course of action unless she is suicidally depressed.

And because late-term abortions are very rare, one can logically deduct that they are being done for medical reasons, not on a whim. That's NOT wrong.

 

Doctors determine if the woman's life is in danger and yes, SHE gets to decide if she will live or die....without YOUR consent....

 

Because D&C's are often used for reasons OTHER than abortion - and if there was no embryo - was it a "Blighted Ovum"?

 

A vast majority of late term abortions are done for foetal abnormality incompatible with life

If you have research proving otherwise a lot of people would like to see it

BTW - when we say that we mean conditions like this

Type 2

 

May I post abortion pics? Of children who don't have abnormalities?

 

If you have proof of abortions done for late term (post 24 weeks) on healthy foetuses where the woman's life was in danger go ahead

But this is the reality of "foetal abnormality incompatible with life"

PS I spared you some of the worst

 

The so called "partial birth abortion" was outlawed in the USA

And what has "casey anthony" to do with abortion?

 

Wrong, it has nothing to do with her "emotional health" at all, it is decided on her medical and mental health, the supreme court states the following;

It says nothing about "emotional" health.

They would be for elective reasons, but that doesn't happen, for medical reasons no they are not wrong

I couldn't really care less if he cried or not, all politicians will say and do what they think will win them the most votes.

 

Prove what you say about the health of the mother just being a loop-hole, I've seen you post that it can be done for "emotional" reasons, would you care to provide some evidence to support that .. because according to the supreme courts decision it can be done for medical and mental health, nothing about emotional health is even mentioned.

I am in denial about nothing, however most, if not all, pro-lifers are in denial that they are a minority in their extreme views, and that what they want removes the rights of a born person.

 

Ad hominem, your last sentence is.

And, yes, John Mccain was absolutley right about these loopholes. Elective late term abortions are still already legal in America. Her mental health. She doesn't feel like carrying the baby. It's her mental health. It's an elective late term abortion, that's already legal in America through these loopholes.

Let me ask all of you pro choice advocates, and not just Fugazi one question. If the fetus felt pain, would you still be pro choice? I'm not arguing about fetal pain, and please don't tell me that the fetus doesn't feel pain until the 20 something-ith week of pregnancy, because that's not even the issue/the debate over here. I don't care if that's true or not. This is a very hypothetical question.

Casey Anthony has a lot to do with the abortion debate. Caylee Anthony's story is somehow one big national news-story and media circus that millions of people were worrying about if she was guilty or not, and, yet, the thousands of late term abortions and partial birth abortions are nothing more than statistics that people just shrug their shoulders about. Hypocricy.

And don't even get me started on Obama's hypocritical crying.

And as for pro lifers lying so much, that's nothing more than being consistent with our own viewpoints. You would agree with me if you were in my shoes.

 

Can't answer the questions in post 253? Why not? Why do you just keep repeating your posts?

Anthony had nothing to do with abortion...why do you keep bringing her up??
And, no I wouldn't agree with you if I was in your shoes here.

 

I actually thought you were someone who could debate this issue properly, however it would seem I am mistaken .. I won't indulge in hypothetical situations as they bring nothing to the table.
To dismiss the mental health of the mother as nothing more than just a feeling she doesn't want to carry the fetus to term gives a great dis-service to the doctors and the mothers. In the UK ANY late term abortion must be decided upon by two independent doctors, that assessment includes a psychiatric evaluation.

 

I just dismiss it as that because that's just what it is. It does a great disservice to them? Ah, well, you see, you're still not arguing against what I'm saying. You seem to agree with me that those women get those late-term abortions because they don't feel like carrying the fetus/the baby to term. You just don't want to dismiss that because you are in denial and you know very well that what you believe is wrong.

Indulging in hypothetical situations helps me/us to understand non-hypothetical situations, the real world.

You are also begging the question, as most pro choice arguements do.

 

when you can show that your assumption is correct with evidence then it is worthwhile looking at, till then it means nothing.

 

NO I do not AGREE.

 

See..they assign arguments to us that we have never made. It's the way pro-abortionists have to argue this topic, because to argue the REALITY is is a losing proposition for them.

 

you really are funny.

Still waiting for you to prove a zygote is an independent sentient life.

 

OK .. I have posted a from a subject matter expert who clearly states that a zygote is not a homo sapien .. (and I gave the link) .. using very specific techical terminology.

You have posted from a subject matter expert who used vauge terminology and never did really say that the zygote was a living human but alluded to it using vauge terminology. (but you gave no link which is also a bit sketchy)

Clearly these two disagree on certain characteristics of the zygote .. and since your SME was so vauge on whether or not the zygote is a living human .. we can not really say that they disagree on whether or not the zygote is a living human .. but certainly mine did.

You have not provided anything resembling "scientific consensus" .. and in fact .. depending on the reading your SME could be said not to have even claimed the zygote was a living human/ Homo sapien.

My SME does indeed alludes to scientific consensus.

"I do not know any biologist who would classify an single cell from a Homo sapiens as a Homo sapiens"

So far we are at "experts disagree" (although from the evidence so far it appears that most experts do agree that the zygote is not a living human)

.. and you have not provided anything that claims otherwise.

 

Yeah .. see what you mean.

I post a Subject Matter Expert stating, in clear unambiguous terms, that a zygote is not a living human .. and further, claims that no Biologist that she knows of thinks differently. . (and give the link)

Mouse posts a SME that "seems" to be saying something different but uses such ambiguous language that you can not tell for sure. (and no link is given)

I agree to give Mouse's expert the benefit of the doubt .. and say .. can we say that there is no consensus (even though my SME says there is a consensus to the opposite)

And Mouse comes back with the uplifting "I Disagree" with no further comment.

Ya .. Reality is a losing proposition but your claim that it is losing for the pro choice sides is mere projection of the lifer flaws onto the pro choice folks.

 

Again, assigning arguments to me that I never made. I can see you're the site troll?

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Link???

 

??????

 

Here is an article from the Journal of Biomedical Ethics. Page 201

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1375210/?page=4

Here we have a peer reviewed Journal ( note the term peer reviewed which means that many experts have to review the content of the document for accuracy) .. that claims that the idea that a human being exists at conception is "Difficult to accept scientifically"

Just to be clear .. like all proper scientific writing .. the author defines his terms stating that he is using the "Noun" tense of Human being .. meaning "living human".

There is no scientific consensus that claims a zygote is a living human.

The best the lifer side can get to from a scientific perspective is "experts disagree"

Agreed ?

 

Here is a direct answer for you from a Ph.D biologist (Dana Krempels prof at the U of Miami) complete with a link (I note that you provided none) .


http://en.allexperts.com/q/Biology-6...pien-cells.htm

I have reposted for you

This is only one piece of evidence. Not only is it from a subject matter expert .. but she gives "the why"
You so far have presentented nothing in support of your claim.

 

Yeah of course I am .. must be true if you say so