"Who's gonna pay for Medicare for all?" is either stupid or disingenuous

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  1. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

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    And recipients take out way more than they put in.
    Now expand that to everyone. We can all take out way more than we put in. Success!!
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Who's gonna pay for Medicare for all?"


    Everyone....You, me, and all the welfare queens.

    Us in taxes and them it cuts to benefits.
     
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    "Who's gonna pay for Medicare for all?" is either stupid or disingenuous"

    the total cost for "medicare for all" will be cheaper then "insurance for profit"

    the real way to get health care costs down is to stop pushing excessive sugar\heavily processed foods and heavily processed oils on the American public.... this is what is causing health care costs to go up

    the propaganda has gotten so bad, they push high carb diets even on type 2 diabetics

    tax sugar like cigarettes... healthcare costs come down.. way down

    take every dollar from the sugar and cigarette tax and put it towards medicare for all.. win\win
     
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    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    That’s false when you adjust for inflation. Do you just want to steal everyone’s money and give it to insurance companies whose overhead is six times that of Medicare. And, do you Have a problem sharing waiting rooms with a minority.
     
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    I’m all for that !
     
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    squidward Well-Known Member

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    How do you want to pay for your coverage?
    Do you intend on paying as much as the guy who makes 10X your income or are you expecting a tax subsidy?
     
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    How much do you think it would cost if it was for a fee instead of tax rate. Give a number.

    Btw, it is a set fee for Medicare Enrollees. It costs about $100 a month for 80% coverage. That’s a set fee.
    From a private insurer for the remaining 20% of coverage, it costs $260 a month from BC/BS. So, $100 for the first 80% from the government and $260 fee for the remaining 20% from a private for profit plan.

    It’s laughable thinking the private plans are cheaper then government plans. Guess what, Medicare patients can get medical service from the best hospitals in the US.
     
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    Fee, tax, whatever you want to do.
    Are you desiring to pay the max you'd have anyone else pay?
     
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    Everyone pays the same in Medicare now when they reach 65.. What’s your point ? Sounds like all your whining is for naught.
    Private insurance for 100% would be 4 times the amount at 20% or $1040.
    a month. Plus, if all universal healthcare mandates are dripped, which repugs are trying to do, any medical bills beyond $12 k per year, you could be dropped or charged more to reach their profit margins. Geese, the elderly easily cost thousands per month in nursing care alone. Plan on sleeping in a cardboard box after 65 without universal healthcare.
     
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    Ha ha.
    That’s laughable. You don’t know how insurance works do you ?. How could your statement be true. Medicare part A is in the Black. So we know that’s bogus. The IRS just raised the cap to keep it solvent and keep up with the COLA.

    You think private insurance doesn’t drop you when you cost more then their profits Ha ha. They reach that level long before universal healthcare. Have you actually gone to the website of Medicare to see how it’s financed ? Not.
     
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    It's not insurance. Its pay for everything cradle to grave. Get a clue
     
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    I didn't ask you about everyone.
    I'm asking YOU what YOU want to pay.
    Day one, new system, do you want to pay the same as the rich guy, yes or no?
     
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    I didnt ask you how much it would cost.
    I asked you if you were willing to pay the same as the guy making 10X your income.
    Yes or no?
     
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    Proven false. We are not even in the top 20.
    Nope. Not having the best care, coupled with the high cost is why we are not in the top 20.

    It didn’t.

    None of that is true.
     
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    Why ask the question when I gave you the answer. In Medicare, participants all pay the same set fee. Where have you been ?
     
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    Let’s deal in facts, Medicare for all....i don’t believe we shouldi8k be denied the right of a free market, which the gop congress Denies for negotiating drug prices. You want to piss your money away, be my guest. Don’t steal mine.
    Private insurance companies steal our more
     
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    Did my post argue for private?
    I asked you how you wanted to pay for your personal coverage under a government run single payer system.
    Do you or do you not want to pay the same cost as those wealthier than you?
    It is a simple question that you refuse to answer.
    Bet I know why
     
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    The thread is for Medicare for all. Participants pay a set fee in Medicare for all and supporters less then 65 have a cap which sets a max that everyone’s has to pay. That means all the wealthy of us pay the same as the middle class and only the poorest or those with disability get a small break while less then 65” The only ones who get a break when eligible are those with disabilities that prevent them from working enough to become eligible. Everyone who has an opportunity to work pays the same. You got a problem with that ?

    This is how Medicare operates. Medicare for all. Why are you making Medicare something it isn’t ?
     
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    "Sets a max that everybody has to pay"?
    We all pay the max?
    Max what?
    Max dollars?
    Max tax rate per dollar earned?
     
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    They keep it ambiguous so they can use whatever stat is best cherry picked at the time.

    The internet was the worst thing in the world for Progressives, their lies are simply too easy to call out
     
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    What ? You don’t pay payroll tax ? And I did for decades ? The cap is on the SS portion which determines your eligibility for Medicare.
    Once enrolled, you still don’t get free care.
    Are you one of these rich people who avoid payroll taxes altogether ?
     
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    So you want a payroll tax funded scheme so those that earn way more than you can pay way more than you?
     
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    dagosa Well-Known Member

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    Ha ha, You live under budget and own your own business or have a flexible employer compensation package. Poor people can’t do this crappola. So get real. If you're rich and can’t avoid taxes, you need your head examined.

    Rich people NEVER over pay for their benefits, or at least those not like Trump.
     
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    I can see you Medicare for all deniers are off your kick about it being more expensive. Now you’re worried about “ fairness”.
    It’s that just another way of saying you you don’t want minorities to share a waiting room with.
     
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    That's a yes?
    Yes you do want to utilize an income based tax funding scheme so that you can pay less than others?
     

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