Many believe the destruction of the largely unknown Salomon Building in the World Trade Center Complex is the so-called 'smoking gun' for governmental culpability in the 9/11 attacks. The building wasn't struck by the aircraft yet it still collapsed, and free-fall was noted in the collapse for 2.25 seconds at the 12.5 second mark. To many these points denote the use of explosives in the destruction of the building. Despite the associated logistical and practical problems behind of all this, one has to ask, why? There is little propaganda value in the destruction of this largely unknown building, and I state that because Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth were compelled to run an advertising campaign to create awareness of this building's demise. Therefore, the public at large was unaware of 7WTC, and that prompts the question, why? So, to members and adherents of 9/11 truth I ask, why do you think the government needed to destroy 7WTC in order to further its supposed aims in Afghanistan and the ME? What evidence convinced you that the government was responsible for the collapse of 7WTC?
There's no question that building 7 was deliberately destroyed. September 11 -- The New Pearl Harbor (FULL) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M (4:30:48 time mark) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5cIb4P7dEk Maybe it was to destroy records that were stored there. http://911review.com/attack/wtc/b7.html (excerpt) ------------------------------------------------------------------- Large numbers of case files for ongoing investigations by the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) were reportedly destroyed in the collapse. The Los Angeles Times reported that "substantial files were destroyed" for 3000 to 4000 of the SEC's cases. The EEOC reported that documents for 45 active cases were destroyed. 3 Before the attack, SEC investigations of corporate fraud by companies such as Enron and Worldcom were the subject of many news reports -- reports that virtually vanished in the wake of the attack. -------------------------------------------------------------------- https://www.google.es/webhp?sourcei...8#q=what+records+were+destroyed+in+building+7
just maybe the debris from the falling towers damaged the building and they demolished it for safety reasons?..
Check out the newspaper article at the bottom of this page. http://www.thepowerhour.com/news3/mysterious_building_7.htm
No, we don't, but 9/11 truth insists it was the government and I want to know if they have any evidence to support this contention, or whether they are just assuming based upon confirmation bias. I know it's the latter, but I'm interested in hearing their point of view. - - - Updated - - - No, it collapsed from unfought fires that raged for seven hours, as well as the structural damage inflicted upon the building by the collapse of the towers. However, 9/11 truth maintain that the government demolished this building along with the twins in order to invade other countries. I'm looking for their justification for this assumption.
No, that is an assumption based upon confirmation bias. Tell me why you believe so, and don't use your usual video tactic to explain your point. I want to hear why YOU believe the government demolished 7WTC. This film is vacuous and full of stupid assumptions and errors...pass, as I've seen it too many times. That doesn't sound very likely does it? Such an elaborate ploy just to destroy those records? I don't think so, and how does that fit in with the rest of the events of the day? - - - Updated - - - I'm sorry, but that site is just too stupid for comment.
So, the government hasn't heard of shredders and wiping hard drives and they needed to concoct this ridiculous scenario in order to destroy these records. Tell me that you don't see a problem with this?
The government learned the hard way about keeping records in one place after a fire destroyed military records in 1974..
Because destroying a building is the most reliable way of destroying all forms of documents without a trace..
Who cares about the government? Curious how people who believe the building could collapse from damage from falling debris and fire do not have to prove it. Instead they think their disbelief in conspiracies supercedes how physics works and that the so called collapse does not have to be proven possible. NOT! psik
Why do people who profess proficiency in physics run away from physics questions? Is it because they only have a high school level of understanding of the concepts they think they are experts on?
That is the subject of this thread. If you don't care, don't contribute. That is not the topic of this thread. This thread is about why members of 9/11 truth attribute the destruction of 7WTC to the government. If you would like a thread about the physics of the collapse, by all means, open one.
so you want everyone who is not privy to all the inside info to speculate and consult your psychic advisers is that it?
right so your objective in the thread then is to see how many people are willing to play footsie guessing game of what went through the minds of the perps instead of discussing hard evidence which includes physics?
There is no need to be an ass. Those who ascribe to the theories of 9/11 truth almost always attribute the attacks to the US government-that is a given. All this thread asks is why they believe the government was responsible. What is the problem? - - - Updated - - - There is no need to be an ass. Those who ascribe to the theories of 9/11 truth almost always attribute the attacks to the US government-that is a given. All this thread asks is why they believe the government was responsible. What is the problem? If you object to the intent and content of this thread you are free to start another along with psikeyhacker, but please don't troll this one and screw it up, as I'm genuinely interested in how those who ascribe to 9/11 truth reached their conclusion.
Right, how do they reach the conclusion? Well, they believe the 2200 professionals who concentrated quite a bit on number 7. And Gage maintains with plenty of data to back him up, or them up, that 7 was brought down intentionally. But he doesn't say who did it, as he believes that is another investigation entirely, a criminal investigation. There are a (*)(*)(*)(*) load of coincidences involving what the gov't/military was involved in on the day the planes hit the twin towers. All of that has been covered in other threads. So this is perhaps what makes the truthers think it has to be gov't involved in it. And we know, from various reputable sources that the Commission was more about covering asses instead of a real inquiry. So, then there is that, which reminds one of the Warren Commission that has been proven to be a farce all on its own. The question underlying all of this is, do you trust the US gov't? Are they trustworthy? They operate in such great secrecy, with millions of classified documents each year, under a system of gov't that is supposed to be as transparent as possible, but isn't. I think the 9-11 people are just people who absolutely do not trust their gov't. And they are probably the only people in this argument that have living brain cells, amongst the vast array of sheeple. To question things is frowned upon these days, and if you do question, you get discounted as being a nutter. But those that accept and do not question, are perhaps the real nutters.
because you want truthers to put themselves in an indefensible position. see the DOE thread just below this one? Well that is about physics and in physics and engineering it will always be the debunkers who are in an indefensible position. Note the lack of rebuttal from them.
So are you saying that 9/11 truth has no real justification for attributing the destruction of 7WTC to the Bush administration? Irrelevant to this thread.
Whether or not a minority believe that 7WTC was demolished or not is immaterial. So it is just an assumption based upon coincidences? The 9/11 commissioners were pleased with the results of the investigation despite early misgivings from some on the chair. That's the 'hive animal' mentality that I don't believe exists. The government is made up of people just like you and me and therefore, there will be individuals who make mistakes, the wrong call, or abuse their position, while there are many other who just do their job. This big, bad government meme is a little simplistic. So they have a bias against the government no matter what. So is this bias the motivation for their accusations and no real proof of gubernatorial culpability is required for them to promulgate this belief? Oh, for God's sake! That is an arrogant and unjustified statement. That is an irrational assumption. People from all walks of life question the government daily and that is the nature of democracy. It is those who posit irrational stories based purely upon confirmation bias and poor reasoning skills that are treated as nutters. Or maybe they are not interested.
So far we have the following suggestions as to why the government may have destroyed 7WTC: a) Demolished because the building was unsafe ( a reasonable assumption but unlikely, as it was logistically implausible to implement such a scheme because the building was burning and it's structural integrity was severely compromised) b) To destroy SEC records in outstanding cases (again, this is impractical as there are far easier methods to achieve the desired result without demolishing a building). Hmmm....hardly convincing reasons. Perhaps others will be posted.
so its not about physics or engineering its about a democratic vote? Got a copy of the referendum? I dont recall getting to vote on this. Besides it seems that the minority is the government, since we have over 2200 arch's and engineers who already voted. seems they are a majority.
Only you could miss the point with such predictability. No, they are a minority of less than one percent of the engineering community, and you still miss the point by a football field. Now for those who can't understand simple English, whether one believes that 7WTC was demolished or not is immaterial to this thread. I hope that is now clear to those with limited understanding. Kokomojojo, if you're still having problems in this area I suggest you read the OP to improve your understanding of the intent of this thread.
