Why are age 80+ deaths counted?

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  1. stratego

    stratego Well-Known Member

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    Most deaths from Covid-19 are from people over the age of 80. They would have keeled over at any time anyways from any cause. Someone 80+ could die peacefully in their sleep, but we would say cause if death is peace and sleep.
     
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    Because if they died from Covid-19.... They died from Covid-19.
     
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    These are the people we're protecting with the shutdowns. Their mortality statistics tell us how good or bad of a job we're doing. Sortof. Its hard to be sure since we don't really know how many would've died otherwise. All the projections turned out to be junk... But certainly more than have.

    Oddly enough, some of the folks (Bill Gates) who would deprive the elderly of expensive medical procedures to employ more teachers are just fine with millions of people losing their jobs to protect those same elderly from this particular illness.
     
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    stratego Well-Known Member

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    They die from old age and have Covid-19. If they also are nearsighted they don't count as death from nearsightednesd.
     
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    As I said, the right wingers will begin to see the real enemy, elderly, and will join elderly and vulnerable bashing crews. We will have mass murder, by PROLIFERS.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    old age, is not an illness
     
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    You better start killing the fat assers like Dirty Donald too, because OBESITY is the second leading contributor to death from Covid 19.
     
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    Do you ever engage other people and think "wow, there are some really ****ing stupid people among us"?

    Me. All the time.
     
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    All deaths count, all deaths are unfortunate. ALL DEATH IS A NECESSITY OF HUMAN LIFE. WE ALL DIE. But I suspect that's not what OP means by "count."

    When trying to create a just society in which rights are balanced against public risks, we could ban soda and processed carbs, because they are HUGELY more deadly than ANY virus, or we could have a balance in which people make their poor health choices, and to some extent, we ALL pay for them. That's just the way it is. That is the current balancing act, and not acknowledging that due to "Orangemanbad" or any other partisanship is transparent and moronic.

    As far as whether 80+ year old deaths of ANY cause with comorbid factors? When working problems of social equity and tradeoffs, should those count as much as young, healthy lives? OF COURSE NOT, and anyone who thinks otherwise...
     
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    Because people over 80 that died of Covid or with complications caused by Covid are still people that died of Covid or complications caused by Covid. Just because they are in their 80s doesn't mean they aren't people. It's a risk factor that people over 80 should know about rather than just ignore it "because they are gonna die anyway". They don't stop counting as human beings "because they are gonna die anyway".
     
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    So we have one person that thinks old people should not be counted as people and another person that thinks all fat people that die of Covid deserve to die also or don't count as people. One is on the left and one is on the right. And people wonder why I think people on the whole suck. I also wonder if this is a contest as to who can have the suckiest attitude towards their fellow human.

    Y'all just stay the **** off my property.
     
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    The problem with certain deaths being counted are the deaths that are not directly cause by covid and were never tested for covid but somehow died from covid
     
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    IF AND ONLY IF THERE IS A POSITIVE TEST FOR CORONA, and if it is the coroner's office physician's opinion, or the attending physician's opinion, whoever is authorized to sign the death certificate, that the corona was the primary cause of death, and not just one of the underlying conditions under the primary cause of death (heart attack, cancer, CPOD, obesity, diabetes, etc.), then it is a valid corona death no matter the age of the deceased. The lab results plus the physician's opinion determine which it is.

    If however a physician puts corona as the cause of death when there was NO POSITIVE TEST FOR CORONA, that is, no preponderance of substantiating lab evidence, then it's just a numbers game played for political purposes, like Chiner, but in reverse trying to increase the corona death numbers rather than decrease them.
     
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    They're gonna die anyway?

    Trumpers are such empathetic creeps huh? Not that hypocrisy matters with these people any more but these are the same types of people ( and in many cases the same ACTUAL people) who (wrongly) were screaming about nonexistent Obamacare "death panels"

    They're GONNA KILL GRAMMA!

    Remember that?

    And now we get this cretin Dr. Oz saying that accepting a 2-3% death rate AMONG KIDS would be acceptable so get em packed back into schools

    WTF...
     
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    If they are infected with Covid19 and die as a result of it, then what the hell else but Covid19 would the doctor write as cause of death on their Death Certificate???
     
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    And when a nursing facility that has 200 people in it...all of a sudden has dozens dead and EVERYONE has the virus (including staff)...yea...pretty good chance they died from the virus.

    But hey...you want better proof?

    Fine. GET ENOUGH TESTS OUT to find out.
     
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    Exactly.

    America is way behind on testing.

    Especially when one considers this FACT:

    If America ran a Million Tests a Week, it would still take over 6 Years to test everyone.
     
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    A combination of random and targeted testing combined with a proper database would go a long way in this regard.

    But that would take the interest and effort of the Administration. They have shown neither
     
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    erp!
     
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    Probably same guy ...

    sock puppet.
     
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    Because a death has a cause and contributing factors no matter what your age and, if we were to not count them, it would just be to protect a political interest desperate to bury the truth. How are people pretending this is a real question?
     
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    . . . you are aware that one one actually dies of "peace and sleep" . . . right? I feel like I'm breaking it to someone what Santa isn't real, but you should probably be aware that no medically educated person . . . no vaguely informed, critically thinking person at all, actually . . . claims that "peace and sleep" are causes or even contributing factors to death. Unlike respiratory diseases like COVID. I' not trying to be rude, but how is it possible that you don't know this already?
     
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    It MIGHT be true (though you have, predictably, provided no evidence) that some were counted because they were diagnosed with COVID even if they weren't tested, which isn't exactly a new thing. Nor should it be surprising giving the shortage of formal testing.

    There is no rational justification for claiming that the death count is being overestimated. All reason and logic points to it being underestimated. As much as a certain political faction hates these facts, they remain facts. They don't care about your feelings or anyone else's.
     
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    Nearsightedness doesn't kill people. Covid-19 does kill people. Get it?

    Also, old age doesn't kill people. Heart disease, cancer, etc. kills old people. There is no disease called "old age."
     
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    That is based on the assumption that at a certain age people cannot be asymptomatic, which sort of flies in the face of the overall data. Note: I fully support offering whatever assistance is needed for everyone at high risk...
     

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