Why are Trump supporters silent when it comes to Trump?

The Republican base is largely rural, consisting of farmers, ranchers, and rural shopkeepers for the most part. Oklahoma is largely rural.

"President Trump famously declared during his 2016 campaign that he loved the “poorly educated” because voters with lower levels of schooling delivered an overwhelming share of votes to him," the conservative Washington Times."

Keeping in mind this guy is a Senator, The Hill reports, "Sen. Markwayne Mullin (R-Okla.), the former mixed martial arts fighter who challenged a labor leader to a brawl in the middle of a Senate hearing room Tuesday, says there’s a long history of violence in American politics, claiming in an interview: “You used to be able to cane.”

"Mullin isn’t backing down or apologizing after his confrontation with Teamsters President Sean O’Brien at a Senate Health Committee hearing nearly came to blows, forcing Chair Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) to step in to break up the potential fight.

"Mullin defended his conduct in an interview with Newsmax, asserting: “Every now and then, you need to get punched in the face.”

“People ask me today is this becoming of a U.S. senator. I was like, ‘I’m a guy from Oklahoma first.’ In Oklahoma, you don’t run your mouth like that and if you do run your mouth like that, you’re expected to be called out on it,”

"Mullin argued it wouldn’t have necessarily violated the Senate rules if he and O’Brien had duked it out in the middle of the hearing room."

Republicans want to pick our next President.

 

Where are they? Can they talk?

CNN reports, "Former President Donald Trump maintains a significant lead among likely voters in New Hampshire’s Republican presidential primary, but former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley has moved ahead of Trump’s other rivals and holds second place, according to a new CNN Poll conducted by the University of New Hampshire.

"Trump’s advantage in New Hampshire remains short of the majority support he garners in primary polling nationally: 42% say they would vote for him, followed by Haley at 20%, former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie at 14%, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis at 9%, tech entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy at 8%, and no other candidate holding more than 2% support. Haley’s support has climbed 8 percentage points from the last CNN/UNH poll in September, with Ramaswamy dipping 5 points and support for Trump, Christie and DeSantis remaining relatively steady.

"The survey finds that Trump’s standing in New Hampshire is boosted by majority support among registered Republicans, 55% backing him.

However, as this thread shows, Republicans back him but they don't defend him. They don't even talk about him. Is that because they know he is a crook?

Republicans back him in the polls, but they pretty much avoid him.

Crazy, but true!

 

Day in, day out, Republican chaos continues. They were bailed out by the Democrats to fund our government, and their followers remain totally silent.

The Republican Party is so bad its followers can't even begin to defend their actions.

ABC reports, "Embattled Rep. George Santos faced renewed calls to resign on Thursday and the looming threat of another vote to expel him from Congress in the wake of a scathing report by the House Ethics Committee portraying him as an alleged fabulist and fraudster who used the prestige of political office to bilk tens of thousands of dollars out of other people.

"George Santos cannot be trusted," declares the 56-page report, written by an investigative subcommittee. "At nearly every opportunity, he placed his desire for private gain above his duty to uphold the Constitution, federal law, and ethical principles."

"The panel said its months long probe, which both paralleled and went beyond similar work by federal prosecutors, "revealed a complex web of unlawful activity involving Representative Santos' campaign, personal, and business finances."

"Sam Miele, a fundraiser for embattled Rep. George Santos, R-N.Y., pleaded guilty to wire fraud Tuesday in connection with impersonating an aide to then-House Speaker Kevin McCarthy.

"Miele was charged in August with aggravated identity theft and four counts of wire fraud.

'Miele is the second person charged alongside Santos to plead guilty following campaign treasurer Nancy Marks last month."

 

How in the world did this man get elected?

He was chosen by Republican voters. Well, that explains it. Twelve months from now they want to pick our next President.

ABC reports, "Embattled GOP Rep. George Santos is facing another resolution to expel him from Congress.

"Republican Rep. Michael Guest, chairman of the House Ethics Committee, filed the resolution on Friday -- one day after his panel released an explosive report stating a monthslong probe of the New York congressman "revealed a complex web of unlawful activity involving Representative Santos' campaign, personal, and business finances."

"House investigators detailed how it said Santos used dollars donated to his political campaign for his own personal benefit, such as $2,900 labeled for "Botox" and $10,000 spent at high-end Ferragamo and Hermes store. Santos slammed the report as "disgusting politicized smear" and said he'd continue to defend himself, although he also announced after its release that he would not run for reelection.

"Guest filed the expulsion resolution electronically as the House adjourned Friday for Thanksgiving recess. It is not a privileged resolution, meaning there is not a two-day time constraint to bring it to the floor for a vote, though that can change when lawmakers return on Nov. 28."

The forum's Republicans will, of course, say nothing.

 

There are some who think that Donald Trump will make a better President than Joe Biden.

Trump recently confused Barack Obama with President Joe Biden, first saying he was “leading by a lot” against Obama.” (Obviously, Obama is not running in 2024.) Then Trump declared, “With Obama, we won an election (2016) that everyone said couldn’t be won.” Trump claimed that Biden would get the United States into “World War II,” apparently forgetting that WWII ended seventy-eight years ago..

Trump provided an uplifting speech in New Hampshire recently, providing insight into his political opponents. He wants to jail them.. “We will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country,”

Trump is facing multiple criminal and civil trials. The judge has already ruled that he committed fraud against the state of New York and may lose his license to do business in New York, his home state. He is charged with 91 felonies within four criminal indictments.

The knock against Biden. He turned 81 today.

I don't expect Republicans to respond.

 

When considering the safety of the witnesses, prosecutors, the former vice-president, court staff, and their families, the judges took into consideration that Trump's extremist followers ransacked our capitol. Over 1,100 of Trump's followers were arrested. Paul Pelosi, the husband of Rep. Nancy Pelosi was viciously attacked.

CNN reports, "A limited gag order from district Judge Tanya Chutkan – which was temporarily frozen by the appeals panel when they agreed to hear the case — restricts Trump’s ability to directly attack Smith, members of his team, court staff or potential trial witnesses. He was allowed to criticize the Justice Department, proclaim his innocence, can say that the case is “politically motivated.”

"After 2 hours and 20 minutes of oral arguments, the three-judge panel of the DC Circuit Court of Appeals appears inclined to restore the limited gag order in former President Donald Trump’s federal election subversion case, but may loosen some restrictions so he can more directly criticize special counsel Jack Smith.

"None of the judges embraced Trump’s claims that the gag order should be wiped away for good because it is a “categorically unprecedented” violation of his free speech rights.

"Yet they also posed sharp questions to prosecutors as they tried to find the boundary of where intense campaign-trail rhetoric crosses the line of undermining a criminal case."

 

Sandy Shanks said: ↑
"But Colorado District Judge Sarah Wallace said that the “insurrectionist ban” in the Civil War-era 14th Amendment, which says American officials who take an oath to support the Constitution are banned from future office if they “engaged in insurrection,” does not apply to presidents."
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"Does not apply to Presidents?" Where did the judge get that?
CNN reports, "The group trying to remove Donald Trump from the Colorado ballot based on the 14th Amendment’s “insurrectionist ban” has filed an appeal to the Colorado Supreme Court, hoping to overturn a lower-court ruling that said the ban doesn’t apply to presidents.

"The appeal was filed by Republican and independent voters who brought the lawsuit in coordination with a liberal-leaning watchdog group called Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.

"Many experts believe the case will eventually reach the US Supreme Court in some fashion.

"Colorado District Court Judge Sarah Wallace issued a stunning 102-page decision Friday, that found Trump “engaged in an insurrection” on January 6, 2021, but concluded that the 14th Amendment’s “insurrectionist ban” doesn’t apply to presidents, based on the text of the amendment, which was ratified in 1868 in the wake of the Civil War.

"It says American officials who take an oath to support the Constitution are banned from future office if they “engaged in insurrection.” The provision explicitly bans insurrectionists from serving as US senators, representatives and even presidential electors – but it does not say anything about the presidency. It says it covers “any office, civil or military, under the United States,” and Wallace ruled that this does not include the office of the presidency.

"That key finding is what the anti-Trump challengers hope the Colorado Supreme Court will overturn."

 

Based upon these attacks, it is easy to conclude Trump is dangerous.

He is the leading Republican candidate for the Presidency of the United States.

Trump continues to be a threat to others and his followers remain totally silent.

CNN reports, "The New York judge overseeing Donald Trump’s civil fraud trial and his law clerk have received hundreds of harassing messages that court security has deemed “serious and credible” since the former president began publicly criticizing court staff.

"Since October 3, when Trump posted on social media a baseless allegation about Judge Arthur Engoron’s law clerk, threats against the judge “increased exponentially” and were also directed to his clerk, according to Charles Hollon, a court officer-captain in New York assigned to the Judicial Threats Assessment unit of the Department of Public Safety, who signed a sworn statement.

"Hollon said the threats against the judge and his clerk are “considered to be serious and credible and not hypothetical or speculative.”

 

Donald Trump is a sick man, afflicted by extreme narcissism, and his rural base, largely farmers and shopkeepers, are not equipped to respond to the issues ... as this thread shows.

His writing indicates a person who has lost his sanity.

The Independent reports, "In what was bizarrely named a “Happy Thanksgiving” post on Truth Social, the former president unleashed once again on what he described as “the Racist & Incompetent Attorney General of New York State, Letitia ‘Peekaboo’ James”, “the Radical Left Trump Hating Judge, a ‘Psycho,’ Arthur Engoron” and “his Politically Biased & Corrupt Campaign Finance Violator, Chief Clerk Alison Greenfield”.

"Hours earlier, a court security official said Mr Trump’s violation of his fraud trial gag order led to Justice Arthur Engoron and his staff facing hundreds of “serious and credible” threats.

"On Friday, the former president’s attorneys dismissed those threats as “irrelevant.”

Donal Trump wants to be our next President. Little wonder as to why his fans are unable to respond.

 

"President Trump famously declared during his 2016 campaign that he loved the “poorly educated” because voters with lower levels of schooling delivered an overwhelming share of votes to him," the conservative Washington Times."

Disregarding anarchists, foolish and uninformed voters, troublemakers, and other miscellaneous Trump followers incapable of responding to the issues, do Americans really want this.

Using a little know law passed shortly after the Revolutionary War, if elected President, Trump intends to use the military against cities controlled by Democrats.

Hard to believe, but true. Trump said it.

ABC reports, "Campaigning in Iowa this year, Donald Trump said he was prevented during his presidency from using the military to quell violence in primarily Democratic cities and states.

"Calling New York City and Chicago “crime dens,” the front-runner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination told his audience, “The next time, I’m not waiting. One of the things I did was let them run it and we’re going to show how bad a job they do,” he said. “Well, we did that. We don’t have to wait any longer.”

"A law first crafted in the nation’s infancy would give Trump as commander in chief almost unfettered power to do so, military and legal experts said in a series of interviews.

"The Insurrection Act allows presidents to call on reserve or active-duty military units to respond to unrest in the states, an authority that is not reviewable by the courts.

"Congress passed the act in 1792, just four years after the Constitution was ratified, Joseph Nunn, a national security expert with the Brennan Center, said. It's an amalgamation of different statutes enacted between then and the 1870s, a time when there was little in the way of local law enforcement.

“It is a law that in many ways was created for a country that doesn’t exist anymore,” he said.

"Trump has not spelled out precisely how he might use the military during a second term, although he and his advisers have suggested they would have wide latitude to call up units. A spokesman for Trump’s campaign did not respond to multiple requests for comment about what authority Trump might use to pursue his plans.

Trump is ignorant of our laws. He picks the fantasy he wants to believe and runs with it.

The danger lies in what Trump wants to do if elected President.

Deploying the military regularly within the country's borders would violate Posse Comitatus.

The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which removed the military from regular civil law enforcement, was enacted in response to the abuses resulting from the extensive use of the army in civil law enforcement during the Civil War and the Reconstruction.

 

"President Trump famously declared during his 2016 campaign that he loved the “poorly educated” because voters with lower levels of schooling delivered an overwhelming share of votes to him," the conservative Washington Times."

Trump's followers, mostly farmers and shopkeepers in the rural counties of America, have placed Trump at the top of the Republican heap without knowing what he says and does. Most are unaware that Trump is charged with 91 felonies within four criminal indictments.

And they certainly do not know that Trump wants to use the military to invade Democratically controlled cities like New York and Chicago.

As shown by this thread, they are incapable of responding to today's issues.

So, of course, they don't know that a huge Republican backer is supporting. Nikki Haley. Hell, most of Trump's followers don't know Haley is running for President.

The Times reports, "The political network founded by the billionaire industrialist brothers Charles and David Koch has endorsed Nikki Haley in the Republican presidential nominating contest, giving her organizational muscle and financial heft as she battles Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida to be the top rival to former President Donald J. Trump.

"The group announced its plans in a memo on Tuesday.

"The commitment by the network, Americans for Prosperity Action, bolsters Ms. Haley as the campaign enters the final seven weeks before the Iowa caucuses. Since the first Republican primary debate, Ms. Haley has steadily climbed in polls, even as Mr. DeSantis has slipped. Mr. Trump remains the dominant front-runner in the race.

 

ABC reports, "Speaking with special counsel Jack Smith's team earlier this year, former Vice President Mike Pence offered harrowing details about how, in the wake of the 2020 presidential election, then-President Donald Trump surrounded himself with "crank" attorneys, espoused "un-American" legal theories, and almost pushed the country toward a "constitutional crisis," according to sources familiar with what Pence told investigators.

"The sources said Pence also told investigators he's "sure" that -- in the days before Jan. 6, 2021, when a violent mob tried to stop Congress from certifying the election -- he informed Trump he still hadn't seen evidence of significant election fraud, but Trump was unmoved, continuing to claim the election was "stolen" and acting "recklessly" on that "tragic day."

"Pence is the highest-ranking current or former government official known to have spoken with the special counsel team investigating efforts to overturn the 2020 election. What he allegedly told investigators, described exclusively to ABC News, sheds further light on the evidence Smith's team has amassed as it prosecutes Trump for allegedly trying to unlawfully "remain in power" and "erode public faith" in democratic institutions.

"Pence could take the stand against Trump should Smith's election interference case go to trial, which is currently slated to occur in March."

 

Republican voters, mostly farmers and shopkeepers from the rural counties of America, have made Trump the favorite in the Republican primaries. For some reason these voters seem bent on doing serious harm to the Republican Party. Trump has no chance in the general election, and the down ballot will suffer greatly.

Here is just one reason why.

ABC reports, "Donald Trump has embraced the rioters who attacked the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, as patriots, vowed to pardon a large portion of them if he wins a second term and even collaborated on a song with a group of jailed defendants.

"Despite losing a bid to strike from the indictment references to that day's violence, defense attorneys have made clear their strategy involves distancing the former president from the horde of rioters, whom they describe as “independent actors at the Capitol.” At the same time, special counsel Jack Smith's team has signaled it will make the case that Trump is responsible for the chaos that unfolded, and point to Trump’s continued support of the Jan. 6 defendants to help establish his criminal intent.

"The competing arguments highlight the extent to which the riot serves as an inescapable backdrop in a landmark trial set to begin on March 4 in a courthouse just blocks away from the Capitol.

"It also reflects a point of separation between Trump and his legal team in the case accusing the front-runner for the Republican presidential nomination of conspiring to overturn his 2020 election loss. While Trump’s glorification of Jan. 6 defendants may boost him politically as he vies to retake the White House in 2024, his lawyers' approach lays bare a concern that arguments linking him to the rioters could harm him in front of a jury."

Just how stupid is Trump?

Is it true that grassroots Republican voters view the Jan. 6 rioters and far right extremists as heroes? Apparently they do. Nationally, 59% of Republicans support Trump. DeSantis is a poor second at 14%.

Should these people choose our next President?

Republican voters will not respond to this report. They never do.

 

So on the subject of this thread, are you in agreement with Trump that he did nothing wrong when he showed an unauthorized person classified documents? You're okay with him doing that? Or you aren't okay with it but you are afraid you'll be a target for agreeing that a criminal act is a criminal act?

 

Other Republican voters are fighting back. They are fighting against the destruction of their party. They have a way to go. The rural wing of the party has the advantage.

CNN reports, "Welcome to the new Never Trump.

"The 45th president’s enemies on the right are mustering for a final big money showdown designed to crush his hopes of a third consecutive Republican nomination less than 50 days before voting starts in the GOP primary race.

"Nikki Haley will be the lavishly funded vessel carrying the hopes of the influential network funded by billionaire Charles Koch and top industrial and corporate donors who think Donald Trump is a risk too far next November.

"Their bet is that the former South Carolina governor can succeed where busted 2016 $100 million front-runner Jeb Bush, Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, two impeachments, old school Republicans like Mitt Romney, millions splashed by the Club for Growth and the Lincoln Project and allied groups, a 2020 election defeat, a pliant House GOP majority and several special counsels failed.

"At the very least, the decision of one of the premier networks in conservative politics to climb on board the accelerating Haley train could help create the only conditions under which Trump could be beaten in a GOP primary that he is currently leading massively, according to polls in early voting states and across the nation."

The rational view is that Trump is busily trying to beat himself. Unfortunately, his rural fans enjoy the part about using the army to control our largest cities, and how their candidate regards the rioters who sacked our capitol as heroes. Trump's 91 alleged felonies charges and four criminal indictments only adds to his popularity within Republican ranks.

I'm only speculating. Republican voters are unable to explain their support of Trump. So, I have to guess.

 

I haven't seen any real proof he did. So I continue to not care about Democrat partisan nonsense.

 

I guess you didn't hear the recorded conversation. I guess that explains your opinion that the issue is Democrat partisan nonsense.

 

Who did he show them to and can you prove that he actually let said person read any of it? Tough to tell from an audio recording and given Democrat's track record of lying about Trump whenever they open their mouths, I'm not inclined to believe anything they say.

 

He informed them that it was secret - it was classified. He even said, "I'm not supposed to be showing this to you" - and then laughed.

 

Who?

 

I understand it as well. They vote for fame since they have no way to judge character and ability. It is the basis of the trouble with our electoral system.

 

We don't want to admit he colluded with Russia to steal the 2016 election. Oh wait, that didn't happen, it was all a hoax. I wonder how much other negative "news" are as well. Never mind. I'll stick with his public record of peace and prosperity.

 

Are you claiming it's a deep fake? You realize the people Trump showed the documents to are alive and available for testimony?

What do you believe?

 

Absolutely nothing that comes out of a Democrat mouth.

 

But it's coming out of Trump's mouth. As he shows classified information to an author. Democrats are irrelevant. I don't believe any were there at the time.