Why Brexit referendum is a PLUS for WORLD PEACE: stale (rancid) agreements should be

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  1. Bic_Cherry

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    Why Brexit referendum is a PLUS for WORLD PEACE: stale (rancid) agreements should be reviewed at periodic intervals.
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    Just my 2cents.
    Judging by current world trends and the problem of too big to fail: but FAILED in the context of recent significant disasters the likes of Fukushima, Lehman Brothers 2008 (World Financial Crisis), Greek debt crisis etc: to me, all are syndromic of 'groupthink' and the concept of systematic and extensive whistle blower silencing.

    In the case of Fukushima nuclear disaster, whistle blowers had all along warned that the nuclear reactor would be at risk of deluge by tsunami but the report was ignored: ["In 2007, TEPCO set up a department to supervise its nuclear facilities. Until June 2011 its chairman was Masao Yoshida, the Fukushima Daiichi chief. A 2008 in-house study identified an immediate need to better protect the facility from flooding by seawater. This study mentioned the possibility of tsunami-waves up to 10.2 metres (33 ft). Headquarters officials insisted that such a risk was unrealistic and did not take the prediction seriously."]

    Likewise in the case of Subprime mortgage crisis (Lehman Brothers 2008 ): which would perhaps be due to blind faith in an unending rise in property prices in the USA: which we now know affected the world economy badly; not least the Greek debt crisis in which almost all of the eurozone placed blind faith in the honesty/ integrity of the Greek gahmen in the raising of public debt and reporting of national budget data resulting in widespread haircuts on Greek public debt and massive losses by investors and pension funds in Greek public debt.

    All these incidents point to an overindulgence in such 'too big to fail' phenomenon or organisations and point to a need to sit back and reconsider our priorities and Brexit means just that, reducing uncontrolled immigration, being a colony of the EU parliament whose accountability, as evidenced by its lackadaisical attitude towards the policing of national debt as in the case of Greece and other PIIGS countries remains in serious doubt.

    The USA in itself could also be a 'too big to fail' phenomenon resulting in the the present mess in the Middle East as successive US gahmens propped up despotic leaders in exchange for national pride/ cheap oil, the likes of Hosni Mubarak in Egypt and even Saddam Hussein once before only to find the tables turned as they were either disposed in revolutions or opposed the USA. A List of authoritarian regimes supported by the United States is also readily available on the internet.. Sadly, both China (South China Sea dispute, illegal law enforcement against booksellers in HKG, human rights abuses in Tibet) and Russia(meddling in Ukraine and Georgia) seem to be following the US example and likewise, seek to achieve 'too big to fail' status much to the peril of world peace.

    Where the British electorate feels that it has been colonised by the European Union and helpless in defending its own national borders against the influx of migrants- whose dispersal is primarily caused by the reckless and irresponsible, short sighted decisions by world super-powers (not least the EU), Britain has the right to exert its own independence and withdraw from the European Union 'colonisation' before it is too late, likewise may Britain withdraw from dangerous mutual defence agreements in favour of restarting diplomacy and negotiation: pernicious defence agreements the likes of which were responsible for the UNCONSCIOUS domino effect of 'stale' alliances into forcing everyone into unnecessarily participating in WW2.

    I thus salute Great Britain for taking ownership of its own fate and its rightful voice in world affairs and standing up for the fact that membership to any defence or economic agreement/union should always remain an open choice subject to DISCUSSION AND REVIEW AT PERIODIC OPPORTUNES. Once again, Great Britain has earned herself the distinguished honour of setting the right tone and approach to administrative matters for the world to follow: that every man has a vote, and to decide what is good for his nation and himself and not just abandon such duties to politicians with a penchant of laying claim greater knowledge or experience then they in truth do.

    May Britain and the EU emerge stronger from this important referendum (discussion) that awakens the interests and concern about larger (relevant) political issues in every responsible citizen.
     
  2. HonestJoe

    HonestJoe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you were in the UK at the moment you’d quickly reach the sad conclusion that nothing in the referendum campaigns have had anything to do with “discussion and review” of our relationship with the EU. The whole thing is much more influenced by domestic British politics and has consisted of pretty much constant lies form both campaigns, half the time about things that have little or nothing to do with the EU in the first place. Most voters still have no idea what the UK being part of the EU really involves or what the consequences of us leaving might be. Even those of us who have tried to engage with the debate have struggled to get any kind of clear, unbiased opinions and are still faced with the fact that most questions relating to what will happen if we leave can only be answered with “Nobody knows”.

    I’m more confident predicting how the result will impact the leadership of the Conservative party, the future prospects for Scottish independence and the continued existence of UKIP than I am on what will actually happen between the UK and the EU. It’d be great if we could have actually had a national discussion and debate about our membership of the EU but that was never what this was really about and was never going to happen.
     
  3. Gaius_Marius

    Gaius_Marius Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Part of me wants the UK to leave. A small part of me wants the EU to throw the UK out even if they do vote to stay. The UK has never been a real member and has always cut corners and renegotiated favourable deals that they shouldn't have had. If they vote to stay the EU should at least get rid of the rebate.

    The fact is though that the UK will use this issue to negotiate a new deal in 20-30 years time and hold another referendum in a generation.
     
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    Nobody can for sure as nobody has been issued with a guaranteed to work crystal ball, but we can say that 90% of economists think leaving will impact negatively, especially for the short term and probably the medium term, too.

    You're right about the lies, though I'd say they come from the brexiters who've totally made things up.

    Nobody wanted that. They wanted to talk about immigration.

    I still think the result is too close to call at the moment*, but if the vote goes for leaving, then Cameron will go fairly quickly and Boris will take his place.

    He will then turn his coat back the right way and claim that after second thoughts, he's decided Britain is better in.

    He's taking a gamble, but not of much of one if you consider the opposition.

    Britain won't leave, so this has been an expensive waste of everyone's time.

    * The question asked in the poll was " Do you think Britain should leave the EU?" and not " Will you vote for Britain to leave the EU?"

    A subtle yet crucial difference. It's likely people, especially the waverers, will have second thoughts once they reach the ballot box and will vote in favour of keeping the status quo.
    That's human nature. We shall see very soon, now.
     

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