Why Children Become Seriously Ill From the Coronavirus

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  1. Starcastle

    Starcastle Well-Known Member

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    What is the purpose of this thread? To stoke fear? Of course there is always a racial component. The study cited involves 1116 cases serious enough to require hospitalization. How many thousands of kids with Covid never needed a hospital? How many never even got sick and were not even tested for Covid in the first place.

    https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus-outbreak-and-kids
    https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/news/2021... children, or less than.01% of the population.

    MIS-C effects 2 of every 100,000 children. Wow let's stop school!
     
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    Starcastle Well-Known Member

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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Even if it kills them?
     
  4. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't get over-raged at the dorks here who refuse to accept the fact that Covide is real-killer - whether you are old, not so old, or even very young.

    Regardless of the impassioned debate, what is well-known is that there is no vaccine in common-use that kills people. So,why not get inoculated and just hope for the best?

    Why not, indeed. I would like to see Pertinent Reasons why avoiding an inoculation is BETTER than having one given that the latter has yet to be proven deadly.

    For the present, from what I can gather, the study that would surely end this particular debate as to whether or not our children should be vaccinated - which has been conducted in the US - has not yet been published.

    But, it is on its way according to this piece (from the Washington Post) from a female doctor who knows of the study: Kids Covid Vaccines Anti-vax Propaganda
     
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    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, certainly, with more data coming in, it will be easier to answer the question. I issued my position but also indicated that for now, there is limited information. We'll know more relatively soon.

    To be frank, yes, there's been some deaths correctly attributed to the vaccines, mostly the adenovirus vector ones (Oxford/AstraZeneca, and J&J - most likely the Sputnik V would cause the same as it is also an adenovirus vector vaccine - but I doubt the Russians would allow data about the Sputnik V causing deaths to go public). These deaths have occurred due to Central Venous Sinus Thrombosis with auto-immune thrombocytopenia. This rare complication has occurred more with the Oxford/AstraZeneca than the J&J but the latter also caused some cases. There is little doubt among the scientific community that there is a causal relationship between the vaccines and CVST.

    This said, the incidence of these deaths is very small, and I had already incorporated them when I calculated a rate of 0.0002%. This is much smaller than the risk brought about by Covid-19 for all age groups, and let's not forget that the virus itself causes intravascular coagulation/thrombosis much more frequently than the adenovirus-vector vaccines. More than a hundred thousand times more frequently, actually. I posted the risk of thrombosis for a number of conditions such as smoking, menopausal hormone replacement therapy, various medications, and an airplane trip; all of these carry much bigger risk than these vaccines and people do these things and use these medications with no second thoughts. I also linked to studies about the frequency of thrombosis caused by the virus, which is huge, like 25% to 37% of cases. So it's very silly to avoid the vaccines due to the very small risk of thrombosis, 0.0002%, and catch instead a disease that causes thrombosis in 25% of people (that is, 125,000 bigger risk!).

    It is to be noted that this problem of CVST doesn't affect the mRNA vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna so taking these is even more of a no-brainer. Since the problem happens preferentially in females aged 18-50, there is some logic behind certain countries' decision to avoid the AstraZeneca shot in females of this age group, or even everybody of this age group given that some cases have affected males, too. Some countries have simply banned the AZ shot. Again, that's not illogical, for countries that do have the Pfizer and the Moderna. If you have an abundant and safer product, there is no point in getting the slightly riskier one. Still I think that 3rd World countries that are struggling, should absolutely use the AZ, if it's all that they have.

    Anyway, carry on. I think I came out of woodwork enough for today. Cheers.
     
  6. Zorro

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    Wrong.

    9,443 deaths this year through 5/28/21 reported to the CDC Vaccine Adverse Effect Reporting System.

    United States Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS), Public Health Service (PHS), Centers for Disease Control (CDC) / Food and Drug Administration (FDA), Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) 1990 - 05/28/2021, CDC WONDER On-line Database. Accessed at http://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html on Jun 4, 2021 5:06:35 PM

    You are also largely wrong that COVID kills young people.

    Of the 579,029 COVID deaths in the US through May 26, only 300 people under the age of 18 died with COVID (US does not segregate between dying of COVID and dying with COVID. That's a death rate of 0.0005 or Zero until you get to the fourth decimal point.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/
     
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  7. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Did you read your own link?
     
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    Yes, good point. And I’ll add this that nobody ever talks about.
    https://vaers.hhs.gov/faq.html
    I find it fascinating the same people that complain about Covid death statistics including everyone who died while testing or after testing positive whether or not they were caused by Covid are the same people claiming all VAERS reported deaths are caused by vaccination.

    I encourage everyone to go to the VAERS site, run searches for reported deaths, and read the reports. In most cases it’s obvious the individual would have died anyway and vaccination wasn’t the cause.
     
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    So true...
    The vaccine was given initially to very senior people. The 85+, etc. People die... and they will continue to die of all other causes, vaccinated or not.
    But of course the anti-vaxxers will scream that the deaths were caused by the vaccine.
    The number of deaths actually caused by the vaccines is extremely small. They do exist (more for the adenovirus-vector vaccines than for the mRNA ones) but they are very, very rare.
    VAERS: "Grandpa Jones smoked like a chimney all his life, got lung cancer and was terminal. The doc gave him 1 month to live. He got the Covid vaccine. In one month he died."
    Anti-vaxxer: "OH MY GOD THE SKY IS FALLING THE VACCINE IS SUCH A KILLER!!!!"
    It would be funny if not tragic. I think that ignorance is a tragedy.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Operation Covid has been both psychological warfare and biological warfare, and a major goal was to plunder the US Treasury.

    Mission Accomplished!!! :clapping:
     
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    MJ Clearly indicated an interest in the numbers with concern of how it would effect his or children and parents.
     
  12. GrayMan

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    Are you a moderator? Is wokeness a bad thing? I didn't mean to personally attack someone.

    It was the only conceivable reason I had as to why someone would ignore an obvious and IMPORTANT question to talk about an unrelated topic, demographics.
     
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    Yes. If his children do not have issues with obesity, diabetes, and immune system dysfunction their odds of getting sick or dying of COVID are nearly zero. If they do have these issues their risk is a tiny bit greater, but still very, very low.

    I didn’t address seniors because that information is well publicized and widely understood. With children, the fact most who have serious issues do so because of pre-existing health issues (mostly self or parental inflicted) is not well known. That specific information being available doesn’t advantage those creating the official narratives.
     
  14. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, I am not a moderator. BUT, I do have an opinion ...
     
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    In the US the percentage of children dead from COVID is ZERO until you get to the fourth decimal point. Yet, locking them down spiked suicide rates.

    "LOCKDOWN CASUALTIES": ER visits after suicide attempts up among teens, young adults during pandemic.

    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/455733/

    Our "experts" are absolutely vile in their arrogance.

    And our Social Media clowns that took it on themselves to control the international conversation, confidently taking false positions as fact, and declaring what turned out to be more accurate positions as "disinformation" and banning it.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Those are good points. Kids are not really affected by covid 19.
     
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    By testing dangerous experimental drugs on children, the US and WHO hope to eclipse the progress made by medical experiments conducted by the Third Reich. It seems we are on the threshold of a dream of Herr Fauci's.
     

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