Why concern for black on black crime & overzealous policing are rightfully separate.

I'm not a big fan of #BlackLivesMatter, because it feels counterproductive. I say that because I believe a good portion of Americans (or specifically, Americans that frequent social media) have short attention spans, and short attention spans aren't really prime real estate for complex issues. With that said, if you're going to start a hashtag revolution, your hashtag should make your concerns clear... with brevity.

Instead, #BLM has created an atmosphere that allows for people to read it, and assume it's proponents are talking about black life in the general sense, which easily allows detractors (or skeptics) to point to instances of violence and intra-racial crime that occurs throughout the nation on a daily basis. In essence, whatever you hoped to accomplish in bringing attention to perceived injustice is now lost. It's arguable that the people you're hoping to shake up will try their damnest to ignore or deny your claims anyway, but that doesn't mean you give them the dumbest hashtag title imaginable as fuel to ignore/deny. But to the point...

Intra-racial crime & overzealous policing are two separate issues, and there's a reason that protestors spend a good amount of time and outrage on one instead of the other, and the reason is perceived injustice. Shaun King, of the New York Daily News, expressed this point well when he responded to folks who constantly send him mug shots of black suspects & criminals... asking why he isn't outraged by it.



Say what you want about #BLM (as I certainly will) but there is a disservice done, as decent Americans, to ignore the fact that their protest is rooted in perceived injustice and a lack of accountability for procedures and actions that should concern a good number of us... so asking why they're not also pissed at Chicago is moot. If these criminals were receiving mild sentences, or not being charged at all... then (and only then) will there be a parallel in the two instances. This thread isn't meant to argue the validity of every issue #BLM has ever protested. It's meant to make clear the difference between black on black crime & overzealous policing.

 

Perhaps the policing would be less zealous if black crime were less rampant.

We note that black crime has increased after scrutiny of the police increased.

Coincidence? I don't think so.

 

A perceived injustice that largely doesn't exist statistically and a movement that is currently giving aid and comfort to the murderers African -American men women and children by making it increasingly difficult for those killers to be removed from the midst of the African - American community where they will continue to kill. It would also help if it"s foundation wasn't based on lies.

 

"Statisically", one instance is an injustice.

You didn't read the OP.

It's foundation is built on perceived injustice an a lack of accountability. To pretend that police haven't made some mistakes is a losing game, and acknowledging said mistakes isn't an indicator that people are wholly against law enforcement.

 

Yes I did read the OP. 1 would be a statistical anomaly. Hands up don't should didn't happen according numerous African American witnesses, Freddie Gray tried to set himself up to get rich at city expense and inadvertently killed himself in the process. The dude in New YOrk had a heart condition was over weight and had asthma, the minute he chose to resist arrest as he had a history of doing, he all but guaranteed himself a bad out come. In the course of being subdued he had an asthmatic event, an ambulance was promptly called but traffic being what it is in New York it arrived late. He died of a heart attack on his way to the hospital. It tells you all you need to know about that avent that the only one chagarged in the incident was the one Caucasian cop who was the lowest dude on the totem poll at the scene.

 

Again:

The reason that isn't the topic of this discussion is because we'll most likely agree on the details of some of these instances, and it appears that we do. However, you appear to be using certain instances to challenge the assertion that there has been some overzealous policing, and that I'd be more than willing to rebut... as long as you're aware of this thread's intention.

I noticed that you left out some pretty clear instances that dealt with an officer (or officers) choosing lethal force as the first available option. Namely the deaths of both John Crawford & Tamir Rice; neither of whom were verbally engaged before they were executed, and neither aiming a weapon at police officers. One of the LEO's involved had even been deemed unfit by his previous department. "Supervisors described an emotionally unstable recruit with a “lack of maturity” and “inability to perform basic functions as instructed” during a weapons training exercise". Yet, no charges.

It is okay for a people to find fault with that...without being asked why they're not equally as concerned about inner-city gang violence.

 

BLM created domestic terrorists. They may not be "official" BLM members (if there is even a member process), but they want to kill police more than ever. Until THIS bigotry and terrorism is stopped by the BLM community, things will only get worse for them. They divided this country more than ever before. All the BLM cowards do is blame others. They are the racists. They are the bigots. They are no better than any other terror group.

 

As much distaste as I have for #BLM, it is trivial to pretend that these idiots (and their idiotic reasoning) didn't exist until a hashtag went viral and people felt a need to protest perceived injustices. Not only is it trivial, it's infantile... or as silly as blaming Trump for every "deplorable" idiot that seeks to align him/herself to his campaign. If anything, condemn #BLM for their lack of organization, as there are no prominent faces to denounce and condemn the instances you've posted. However, what you're showing here is not representation... look again at what you posted. A max of 6 retweets? Some none? It's useless to act as if they're mobilizing terrorists. Well, maybe it isn't useless, as it's a perfect way to ignore the principle reason for it's creation.

and once more, you and I are not talking about why black on black crime & overzealous policing are separate instances.

 

Define overzealous policing. My contention sir is that this is so rare as to be little more than a statistical anomaly.

 

Excuses, excuses. Until the black community (the ones who claim Black Lives Matter is peaceful) protests AGAINST this terrorism like they do against police, there's no credibility. Hell, the BLM is out of control! They protested in Wisconsin when a black guy got shot by a cop! Another "innocent Mike Brown" guy right? Nope, was a homie with a stolen gun trying to shoot a cop- black cop- captured on a body cam with witnesses. Pretty stupid huh?

This (*)(*)(*)(*) needs to end. Until the BLM terror network ends their war on police and white people, there's division and a lack of trust.

 

Yes, perceived injustice, not actual injustice. Many blacks simply want to blame others for their problems instead of correcting the cultural problems that exist in their community. It's easier that way.

 

Jumping a park curb to position your cruiser right in front of a 12 year old with a toy gun, in order to shoot him immediately upon exiting said vehicle without attempting to deescalate or engage him.

My contention is that concern for these statistical anomalies shouldn't be avoided just because there is gang violence in Chicago.

You're aware I could use this line of thinking with Police Officers and the blue wall of silence.

Again:

Something I'd believe if there weren't white #BLM members that are able to look beyond their skin and realize an issue.

 

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Show me the twitter posts of the police using a public hashtag to incite the murder of black people.

No you cannot. But the BLM terror network that you so desperately seek to protect (even though you casually throw in little things here and there to make it seem like you don't always agree with them), continuously calls for the murder of public officers.

You have no argument. This thread is nothing more than an excuse for terrorism.

 

Apologists for blacks will claim those people represent a "tiny minority of extremists", similar to how Islamoapologists minimize the problem of extremism in Islam. The fact that so many blacks confidently post death threats, calls for race wars, and genocide on social media shows just how much progressive society lets them get away with things. They may or may not represent the majority of blacks, but a sizeable minority at the very least.

 

An example of avoiding the thread topic, entirely.

#BLM, for all their organizational faults, is comprised of multi-racial, multi-cultural individuals who share a similar concern... which is a concern that isn't washed out entirely because you found tweets from idiots with 3 friends that liked their comments.

Or, you're having trouble... possibly an emotional response. You have no argument for the thread's sole topic, which is to challenge the repeated "but what about black on black crime" ploy that detractors use.

 

Tamir Rice died for two reason. 1st he had painted his toy gun to look like the real thing, 2nd the officers on the scene were never given the information that the gun in question might be a toy. Hence When Tamir, didn't drop the weapon on command but turned toward the cops he got shot.

By the way BLM what ever it began as has not been coopted by the far left and their goal has little to nothing to do with injustice and everything to do with destabilizing the country, and apprently they see increasing the body count in the hood as useful part of that process.

 

A 12 year old could kill a fully grown adult with a gun just as easily as a 30 year old. If a cop gets a gun pointed at him, he's going to respond with lethal force in order to save his own life. I'm sure BLM would rather cops allow young male blacks to point guns at them with no consequence, but that's not realistic. Being black doesn't afford them that privilege.

 

So, think about this suggestion. In essence, it is admitting that police departments might be incapable of seeing a people beyond their skin color, and that said color is reason alone to act more aggressively than normal... and also that law-abiding black men and women will inevitably fall subject to it. That is a failure on behalf of men and women in uniform, and reason alone for the protests we've been seeing. You can't claim a flaw and pretend that it's a valid response.

....He didn't receive the command to drop the weapon. He was shot immediately after the officers stopped their cruiser in front of him after hopping a curb to do so.


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Which didn't happen with Tamir Rice, nor was he given any commands, or time to execute said commands.

 

We are reading different accounts...

 

I bet you believed Michael Brown had his hands up, too.

 

Apologies, I watched the video.

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lol what? So the Tamir Rice claims didn't work, and you thought to divert to Michael Brown? Take a break, dude.

 

It is entirely counter productive to have a movement protesting police with hair triggers, that creates an atmosphere that is likely to increase their need for a hair trigger response. The more danger that is perceived by a policeman, the more likely that he is to shoot during an incident. The BLM movement has undeniably created a more dangerous atmosphere for police.

 

I think it's helpful to establish that the black activists who have taken the side of the criminals against the police (for racial reasons) have been wrong in almost every instance so far. Their "eyewitness accounts" have been wrong/fabricated consistently. The truth always comes out eventually and the police are usually cleared. I suspect the same will happen in this case, as well.

 

Exactly.

The problem is that a "perceived" injustice is only a real injustice if the perception is correct. Not only does the injustice tend not to exist statistically, but many of the situations held up as evidence have been shown to be wrongly portrayed, and that the police officers were justified in their actions. At that point, the BLM propaganda becomes suspect...

True. And nobody seems to want to acknowledge the fact that a police officer's reaction to a problem involving a black offender results from concern over what statistics say about the possible violence that will be brought against the officer(s) by that individual.

 

If our finest are that affected by the civilians they serve, then we're in more trouble that originally thought... and perhaps there's a need for extended training. Apologies, but a concerned people have the right to speak out at perceived injustice, and nervous cops should probably ask to be relieved/relocated if there's a fear of premature neutralization. I wholeheartedly sympathize with how complex their jobs are, and how the media has incited idiots to commit atrocities in retaliation, but I can't support the notion that people do nothing.