Why did god make so many gay or bisexual animals if he hates homosexuality so much?

http://www.innovations-report.com/html/reports/life_sciences/report-72574.html

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html

http://seedmagazine.com/news/2006/06/the_gay_animal_kingdom.php?page=all&p=y

Anyone? Why make so many species doing something that is an "abomination" and "unnatural?" Why would a god make an unknown number of species partake in these attractions and behaviors, but hate it when one particular species does those same things?

 

Personally I don't think that if there is a god, that he'd be smart enough to create an entire universe with everything in it, yet bored enough to spend time "hating gays" while turning a blind eye to mass murderers, dictators, etc. I think that 'homosexuality" would be the last thing on his agenda

I do think that social conservatives who devote nearly all of their time and energy to "homosexuality" need to move on and focus on real issues - I will admit that. If they want "homosexuality" to be their primary issue in the 21st century they should just convert to Wahhabi Islam - whether you agree with it or not, homosexuality doesn't directly "harm" anyone else, so if this is the primary issue of your political agenda this just makes you an authoritarian control freak who's more interested in policing others' lives than really promoting "small govt". This is why I no longer focus on "homosexuality" or what adults do in their own bedrooms - because I realized what an elitist hypocrite I't make me to protest the govt telling me what size soda I should by, while simultaneously thinking I'm in a position to tell an adult in their own bedroom what they should be doing with their private parts

 

It's God's top priority. You can't do any gay things or you don't get into heaven. The serial murderer steps up to the gate. God says, "You've killed 52 people and you left the toilet seat up 38 times. Is that all you did? Okay, well come on in!"

The child sex-abuser walks in. "So you ran a catholic church and molested 39 little boys and had them psychologically traumatized for life. Come on in!"

This next guy walks up, God says, "You had a good life! You volunteered for charity, you helped your neighbour weed her garden.. Wait a minute, what's this? You've had an "experiment" in college where you tried, oh, gross! Disgusting!!! What an abomination!!! TO HELL WITH YOU!!"

 

Kudos to you for recognizing there are different species but could you tell me where in the Bible anything is mentioned about animal "homosexuality"? Also could you tell me why there has to be a comparison between unlike species to make such an argument? The old apples to oranges comparison has been over done. It is quite intellectually dishonest.

 

Yep, I wonder when Religious people will figure out that maybe they are the ones that are really being tested. If according to the religious, Hitler is in heaven and a gay isn't, then its safe to assume its all a crock of sh*(. Let see hmmm mass murdering millions of people... entire families, ok not a big deal (we know God did that too! It says so in the Bible) but Gay........eternity in FIRE!!!!!!!!!!
P.S. How is a Priest but raping a boy not considered by the religious to be also a homosexual act?

 

What religious people have said Hitler was in heaven?

NAMBLA was started by atheists so they seem to be OK with pedophelia.

 

Wow, another post from Spacecricket that I agree with! We're on a streak!

Why should I? I never said anything about god being against it in the Bible. That's the whole point. Probably thousands species with gay or bisexual animals, but he is only concerned with gay sex in ONE species?

What's so intellectually dishonest? Does it make any sense to you that god would hate homosexual behavior, and then go out and make thousands of species that have gay sex? Why would he purposefully design animals to have gay sex, but get mad when ONE species does it? It seems intellectually dishonest to believe in a god with such a contradictory sense of morality.

 

Because you are making an assumption. If there is nothing that says God disapproves of gay behavior in animals then what is the problem? Perhaps humans and animals are different....as in species as you stated. There would be different expectations. Why does this escape your thinking? Oh wait, because this blows your premise out of the water.

And now you claim God has a sense of contradictory morality? Again, you are comparing apples to oranges. Remember the idea of species? God is not human. Do humans put animals in prison if they murder another animal? No. One could see that as a "contradictory sense of morality" but since we understand there is a difference in the species we don't see it that way. Same with God and humans.

Why does atheist apologetics need to use such a silly tactic? I guess if they had valid arguments they wouldn't need to resort to such buffoonery.

 

Because it isn't apples to oranges.
Homosexuality naturally occurs in the animal kingdom including the human animal in 5-10% of the population throughout recorded time in all cultures.
What is intellectually dishonest is using a several thousand year old text that can not be substantiated or verified to demonize reality.

 

There is a childlike disconnect regarding animal "morality" in our culture.
If a dog gets hyper aggressive and kills your neighbors cat there is a good chance the dog will be euthanized. If a zoo animal kills a trainer or a spectator it will inevitably be "put down".
If these behaviors are displayed in the wild it is simply the "nature" of things.
Our application of morality toward animals is arbitrary and capricious.
Much like Christian morality is toward "others".

 

So you think humans and animals are the same.....yanno when you see a rabbit driving a car it is usually a cartoon or some kind of animation...right? You do realize it isn't really driving a car....lolz!

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Hahaha! I see you pulled out your dictionary to try and look intelligent. It didn't work because animals and humans are not the same species....read the OP for once.

 

No, because it makes no sense. You're offering no sort of explanation for this contradiction.

Why shouldn't they be compared to each other? We're all animals. We're not that different than other species. What is so different about us that gay sex is bad for humans but not any other species on the planet? Are you capable of offering some sort of explanation? Not only an explanation of why god expects different things, but why he would design so many species to do that which he supposedly detests in one particular species? I mean, would you think it would be rational of a god to design a million species to be carnivores, but then tell one species, "don't you dare eat other animals! That's wrong!"

God is not human, so why are you comparing human's difference in handling humans and other animals with god's morality? Isn't that comparing apples and oranges? It's a red herring, at least. How humans treat species different has nothing to do with why a god should do as such. We are not perfect creatures; we are not designers of nature; we are not a single entity that can be compared to a god. Even though it's a red herring, I'll address it just to show how bad your argument is.

Animals kill each other because they are driven by instinct to do so; generally, animals kill to eat, so they're killing to survive. Humans don't kill to eat each other because we don't need to do so in order to survive. Furthermore, humans don't want to be around others that threaten to eat them. If a lion eats a gazelle, it is of no threat to us. If a lion tries to kill us, then it's a threat, and we deal with it. Why would humans punish an animal for doing what it takes to survive? And if we did, would we not be destroying the ecosystem by seriously altering how nature works? The difference is less about morality and more about survival, but even when there is a difference in how humans treat animals and humans in terms of what they expect out of them morally, that does not mean it's logical or consistent. Also, we did not design animals. We certainly didn't design them and then say it's ok for thousands of species to do something, but it's not ok for this one species to do it.

Personally, if I designed nature, I would design animals to not kill each other and not need to do so in order to survive because I think killing is cruel, regardless of what species is doing it. There is a huge inconsistency between what we see in the rest of nature and what is expected of our particular species. It's almost as if there is no god out there creating such ridiculous standards for one species while condoning the opposite of that behavior in thousands or millions of others.

If you're going to brag about your imaginary championship debating skills, you might want to find some better arguments and not resort to insults.

 

You have lost. No need in trying to dig yourself out of a hole here. Fact is humans aren't animals and God is not human. Trying to make some phony premise seem true is just embarrassing yourself further. You are comparing apples to oranges and assuming results that you want. I can't believe someone would try and pass some nonsense like that off as being the slightest bit credible.

 

That's actually not a fact. It's a fact that humans ARE animals. Go read a science book.

I never said he was human, but you used human treatment of different species as justification for god's different treatment after telling me that you can't compare "apples and oranges."

I can see how you're the debating champion. You do nothing to address people's points and simply tell them they've lost and continue to throw out more ad hominems. The master at work. It looks a lot like trolling, but what do I know about debating? I'm just going to ignore you from now on because I can't deal with your awesome debate skills.

 

So all you can do is respond by saying "nuh uh".....that is sad. Why do you continue to embarrass yourself? Is this some sort of comedy routine?

 

<ignorance> <lies> <more lies> <incredible abject ignorance> <insults>

HAHAHA! See, I won the discussion. I'm the winner again! And I never even had to know anything!

 

I never saw your debating tactics laid out in such a clear manner like that. Thanks for admitting it.

Well, I win again.....so easy....

 

Duhbating Champeen,

No, the point you missed....as it went zooming over you hollow head was, humans ARE ANIMALS, just as rabbits are animals...and homosexuality is observed and document in most other species.

Do you realize how STUPID your apples to golf clubs comment was? lolz

 

And yet another silly post that spews conjecture....nice job.

 

Who are you and what did you do with SpaceCricket79?!!!

Please excuse my humor in the midst of a serious debate... but I gotta say I like the NuYou. I am just use to you and I being an different sides of an argument.

I agree with what you said. We hear the word freedom used often in our society, but often it feels like what the person is really saying is you are free to stay within the confines of the morality that I am imposing upon you. My old man hates my long hair and one day pointed out that there are many different above the collar hair styles that I can choose from. To him he was expressing freedom of choice... to me he was trying to place me in a box which is anything but freedom.

I believe in the laws of the judiciary (for the most part) as they are there penalize those who hurt others. Its the laws of social norms that I often have a problem. Social norms are not about protecting others from harm... its more about pressuring others to fall in line with our morality but is often taken to the insane extreme of (fill in the blank) is immoral.

 

Humans are made in God's image which separates us from animals. Human beings can act and behave like animals...but that wasn't the plan. Animals can eat their young---and that is animalist behavior and isn't considered right or wrong. Humans can abort their babies or leave newborn out on the curb to die--and its wrong. As human beings, we are held to a higher standard.

 

Please point out where I said in my post that they were "the same species".
Use the quote function please.
Not up to the challenge ?
Didn't think so.
Fail. As usual.

 

Conjecture?...Sorry, dishonest one, homosexuality IS OBSERVED IN MOST OTHER SPECIES. THATS A SCIENTIFIC FACT.

Sorry, you're inbred dogma doesn allow you to acknowledge scientific facts that have been known for years....Either that or, you just stupid or dishonest.

 

Yeah, no...and no matter how many times you assert humans were "made", science proves you factually incorrect. We evolved from a common ancestor.

 

Nope, sorry. According to science, we are animals.

Why? You can't tell me why? Can you address this from another post of mine?

And telling me that animals eat their young and it's not wrong - that doesn't really help at all. I also don't know why god would be against people eating their young but not other animals. Why purposefully design some animals to do a behavior you hate in another species?