Why did Putin want Trump as our President?

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    The issue related to the Russian hacking of the DNC computers and Podesta’s computer is a moving target. New factors are being reported daily, and some the elements of the story told here may be outdated in a manner of hours. That said, it is quite clear that Russia did attempt to influence the election. The issue is whether or not their hacking was designed to promote Trump as our next president.

    First of all, a few facts are in order. Trump has praised the Russian leader. He once stated in an interview with Larry King, “Look at Putin—what he's doing with Russia—I mean, you know, what's going on over there. I mean this guy has done—whether you like him or don't like him—he's doing a great job in rebuilding the image of Russia and also rebuilding Russia period.” During the campaign, Trump appeared on a Russian controlled propaganda network, RT, and criticized the American Commander-in-Chief. In July, Trump encouraged the Russians hackers, “I will tell you this, Russia: If you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” the Republican nominee said at a news conference in Florida. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.” Today he is denying that Russia did any hacking. “I don’t believe they interfered. That became a laughing point, not a talking point, a laughing point. Any time I do something, they say ‘oh, Russia interfered.” He added in the form of a tweet, “Unless you catch "hackers" in the act, it is very hard to determine who was doing the hacking. Why wasn't this brought up before election?” It was brought up several times during the election.

    USA Today writes, “The fact-checking website Politifact says Hillary Clinton was correct when she said 17 federal intelligence agencies have concluded that Russia is behind the hacking. On Oct. 7, the Department of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence issued a joint statement on behalf of the U.S. Intelligence Community. The USIC is made up of 16 agencies, in addition to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.”

    The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities."

    Trump’s transition team continues to deny that Russia intervened in the election. Conservative pundits have tried to derail the accusation by saying it is virtually impossible to change the voting results, although no one is saying that.

    The Washington Post reported. “It is the assessment of the intelligence community that Russia’s goal here was to favour one candidate over the other, to help Trump get elected,” a senior official said. “That’s the consensus view.” Those same conservative pundits argue there is no proof of that assertion.

    That is true, but in life, as in the court of law, there is what is called circumstantial evidence. The Russians hacked the DNC computers and revealed their embarrassing findings the weekend before the Democratic Convention. The convention was thrown into turmoil; the DNC chair, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, was fired; and the Sanders people went ballistic. Later, WikiLeaks claimed that it had 50,000 emails and disclosed many of them in the last two months of the campaign. They greatly embarrassed the Clinton campaign. The seventeen intelligence agencies concluded that the WikiLeaks disclosures were provided by Russian hackers.

    Clearly these leaks provided by the Russians severely damaged the Clinton campaign. It naturally follows that the Russian leadership was aiding the Trump campaign. It is time to ask why.

    Why did Putin want Trump as our next president?
     
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    There are many leaps taken here. No one knows the motives or even if it were the Russians who did the hacking. Sounds like a vast left wing conspiracy.
     
  3. Kode

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    Your bogus denial does not constitute "truth". The hacks happened and they were traced to Russia. Catch up.
     
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    Probably because Hillary is a warmonger with personal vendettas.
     
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    Anyone who questions the need for investigation at this point is not patriotic! What are you trying to hide??
     
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    Must have been something Hill said?-

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    Putin does what helps Putin.

    Maybe it's Trump's extensive ties with Russia, maybe it's because he sees Trump as a malleable fool, or maybe Putin has something on Trump to make his actions towards Mother Russia more favorable. Or maybe Putin knows that Hillary doesn't worship Putin as her hero like Trump. That's why we need an investigation to figure how far the ties go.
     
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    The CIA AND FBI agree it was the Russians.
     
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    I support looking into it.

    Bottom line, however, is that 62 million people went to the polls and elected Trump president. It had nothing to do with Russia.
     
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    I think this is the funniest part of all. The Russians would never want Trump elected. Trump is going to hire real generals, and he doesn't take any BS. Can you imagine the Russians doing a flyby on a US naval vessel with Trump as president. The dems wet their pants trying to come up with ways to avoid taking action. My guess is the dems would just surrender as soon as the Russians showed some teeth. It is hilarious to see the leftys acting like they have a problem with a communist nation. Nice Try.
     
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    Our leftists have reached new heights of hysteria. It's vastly amusing to watch happen. Putin wants lots of things but it's highly unlikely that he wanted a tough as nails business man to be in charge of the most powerful and influential nation in the history of humanity when he could have instead gotten another limp wristed Barack Obama Mark Two, Mod One in the form of 'just more of the same spinelessness' Hillary Clinton.
     
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    And neither one of them have any evidence. :roll:
     
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    Hey folks, listen closely to Gatewood! He knows what he's talking about! He has the right approach here saying it's silly to think Putin wanted a guy like Trump to run the U.S. In fact, I'll be writing letters to all our intelligence agencies to tell them we don't need them any more because we have Gatewood and he's on top of it.
     
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    The blames have been on Russia for two reasons. One was to distract the public from the crimes Wikileaks revealed about Clinton. They did that with help from the MSM. The other was to throw the blame on Russia for thwarting their globalist agendas.

    The demonizing started when information about Clinton stealing the nomination from Sanders appeared in Wikileaks. Assange said Russia had nothing to do with it... and that it was an inside job. He said it was not a hack, but a leak.

    More than likely it was Seth Rich since he was the one that was murdered shortly afterwards. Assange offered a reward for his killers and said that it has frightened others from revealing what they know.

    As for Russia, the globalists want to make the situation with Russia so bad, that it will be impossible for Trump to undo it... either that or go to war... Something which almost happened last week.

    Biden told Russia that the US will retaliate to the (false flag) hack harshly, so on Dec.2nd the Russians found out that there was going to be a massive attack on their banking system on Dec. 5th.

    Moscow first warned the Russian people not to believe anything they hear or read and not to withdraw their funds. Also thanks to their internet security Kaspersky, they found the virus' that had been installed... They turned out to be similar to the American and Israeli ones used on Iran.
     
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    It is humorous to watch the left get virtually everything wrong before and after this election.

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    So show us the report, like the CIA report on weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, you know, the one y'all love so much.
     
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    When Trump finally takes the oath of office the nation will shudder as every leftist in the nation simultaneously craps on the spot.
     
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    That's on the Clinton campaign. Too bad for them.

    There's a simple axiom to live by: If you don't want it known, then don't do it.
     
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    Well, we know Putin loathes Hillary. If hacking occurred, it occurred under Obama's watch. Exactly what are you accusing the Russians of doing?
     
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    No, what's silly is believing anything the government says after the last 8 yrs.

    Why aren't you whiners upset about what was actually in these e-mails?

    They demonstrate just how corrupt the people in your own government are and instead of being outraged by that you actually try to blame others for it.

    Hillary lost because she was exposed for what she is, but you cannot accept that.

    When you have something other than "high-confidence" about russian involvement from an agency that has lied to congress on more than 1 occasion then you might be taken seriously.

    I don't care who exposed it, if she was that corrupt(and apparently above the law) then the people deserve to know it.
     
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    Answer us simple Putin like naive, maleable, vane people because those types are easy to control. Trump has all three of those bad characteristics.

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    The terrorist attack of 9 11 occurred under Bush W and president Chebey's watch so is Bush W responsible fir 9 11 ?
     
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    Well, that question is a tall order to reply to given we still have not seen proof. Why is it hard for Obama to provide proof.

    Trump himself is entitled to open and untainted top secrets. So prove it to Trump. I have faith if there is proof, Trump would tweet us that he saw it.

    But we are supposed to take the word of the most dishonest administration I have seen yet and I have seen them going back to FDR.
     
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    This blind trust in the Obama administration is trying to our souls.

    Watch them operate in hearings of the two houses of congress. Ask them a direct question and you never get a direct reply.

    I do laud one official who to his credit did tell the congress the truth and did not mess around. He got congratulated. The topic will come to me but the man impressed me a lot.

    I only wish the entire Obama team was like he is.

    If they can drag it out two years, Obama does. So how can they claim to find this out so fast?

    No, I simply do not believe Obama and that goes for almost 100 percent of his team.

    That one guy seems very honest to me. Probably does not fear being fired.
     
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    Reading comprehension is a wonderful tool. It says in the OP that "17 federal intelligence agencies have concluded that Russia is behind the hacking." Is it getting to the point where Trump and some others are now doubting American intelligence agencies. Putin would say, "What a marvelous development."

    Regarding the hacking and its intent, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it must be a ... duck.
     
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    And not one of them has provided any evidence...go figure.

    These were released before the election, why didn't they investigate then?

    Because they thought there was no way Hillary would lose.

    The CIA has lied to congress on more than 1 occassion, peddling lies and influence is their job.

    How did the release of these emails influence the election? Does it ever cross a liberals mind that what they contained probably had more to do her losing than who exposed it?
     
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    That is another thing conservative pundits are saying. Again, lets look at the circumstances. Just prior to the Democratic Convention a Russian hack job released closely guarded secrets from the DNC. For weeks and months American voters were treated to all the nasty things done to Sanders, and hundreds of thousands of Sanders voters were in rebellion. How many of them stayed home? How many voted for "anyone but Hillary?"

    Soon after that barrage the American voters were treated to the WikiLeaks disclosures courtesy of Putin's hackers. Now the voters learned the dirty little secrets behind the Clinton campaign and weeks of quid pro quo involving the Clinton Foundation. Even the liberal media ate it up because it was news. This went on for at least sixty days leading right up to election day.

    In view of all this, it is nearly impossible to conclude the Russians did not interfere in our elections. They most certainly did and they did so successfully.
     

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