Why do Americans put up with Obama?

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  1. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    Obama is where he is because of George W. Bush and white guilt.
     
  2. contrails

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    Are you suggesting that a black person can't have political positions that a white person could agree with? Obama's support among white people isn't much different than it was for previous Democratic presidential candidates.

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  3. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    No.

    I think you're overlooking long term trends. First, the percentage of the population that is white is declining in both percentage and absolute terms. Second, the bulk of the white population is in the working and middle classes. Third, the interests of wealthy whites is increasingly diverging from those of the white working and middle classes. Fourth, the Obama years have been very good for the wealthy, e.g., Wall Street/Country Club/Big Business types, but have been trying for the working and middle classes. Fifth, among current minorities class is less important than racial solidarity. Sixth, rich whites are declining as a percentage of the population just as other white demographic cohorts are.

    With each national election white working and middle class voters become more Republican in voting practices. The long term trend is for the Democratic Party to be composed of minorites with a patina of rich whites. At the same time the overwhelming base of the Republican Party is composes of working class and middle class whites. What obscures the divergence in the population is the fact that the elites of the Democratic and Republican Parties are very similar in background, class, race and ideology. The Republican Party elite will ultimately be abandoned by working and middle class whites, but won't appeal effectively to minorities. But the working and middle class whites won't disappear. They will coalesce in some manner that can't be foreseen.

    In time, most Democrats will be members of current minorities and most non-Democrats will be white. This state of affairs will promote ethno-tribalism as it has in other countries.
     
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    I think 1972 thru 2012 would qualify as a long term trend.

    Even if white working class voters are leaving the Democratic party, that doesn't mean those who remain voted Democrat out of "white guilt".
     
  5. Albert Di Salvo

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    "It has not escaped the notice of political analysts that 72 percent of whites without college degrees — a rough proxy for what we used to call the white working class — believe that “the U.S. economic system generally favors the wealthy.” Or that on Nov. 4, these same men and women voted for Republican House candidates 64-34..."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/12/o...the-demise-of-the-white-democratic-voter.html
     
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    And in 2012, they voted Republican 61-36. Not a big change there.

    https://cdn.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/ObamaCoalition-5.pdf
     
  7. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    I'll let you know after the 2016 elections, but either way I doubt it has anything to do with "white guilt".
     
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    Do you deny white guilt exists?
     
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    No, just that it had any significant effect on Obama's election. Do you have any data linking the two?
     
  11. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    How do you know?
     
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    Something(S).....plural!!

    I don't put up with it.....I'm stuck with it.

     
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    I didn't say I know it doesn't, I said I doubt it does. A doubt that is based on your inability to present any data even suggesting such a connection.
     
  14. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    Why do you doubt white guilt had anything to do with whites voting for Obama?
     
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    Go back and read Post #102 again.
     
  16. Albert Di Salvo

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    I'm glad you agree with me. Now go forth and sin no more.
     
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    Republicans love war and war profits.


    Real patriots love Peace. :flagus:
     
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    Many Americans like Obama. After all, he was re-elected.
     
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    Are you serious? They have had plenty of talks of impeachment and going after him legally. The problem is, if you get rid of him or impeach him, Joe Biden becomes the president and in 2016, this can upset the entire process..... The reason, you have Joe Biden as president, an incumbent and he could quickly run for election and since he would be president, things will get difficult. It is really difficult to unseat an incumbent. It can be done, but it is difficult. You need to back away from this insane impeachment talk. It does nothing and he will be out of office in 14 months anyway.
     

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