I think for the most part the first thread was a success in that it got people talking. Besides the trolling throughout it of course. Since it oast the 500-post mark I made Part 2. So again, the question is, why do you hate Islam? I guess I could re-word it a little better. What aspects of Islam do you disagree with seems like a more politically-correct way of asking this. Anyway, please keep your responses respectful and constructive to the thread and the religion, to avoid any back-and-forths that will never end. Peace Salam Shalom
In all my years I've never seen someone seek out this much abuse. What is the goal, another 500 post mark?
You consider dialogue as being "abuse"? Interesting... And yes, that is one of the goals. However I am more concerned with quality rather than quantity.
I didn't read any responses to pt #1, so all I can say is that your question should be revised to ask "What is it about Islam that you just love and would want to teach to your children?" So as to not steal your thunder, you have my permission to ask that question. I'll be watching.
Is a Muslim in the US, one that sees religion just as a personal matter, the same as a Muslim in Saudi Arabia? If Islam can be interpreted so many different ways, then why use such broad term as "Muslim or Islam" to describe yourself?
Actually I started that thread that asked just that with very few participants. What can I say, I tried OJleb.
I guess the main was is by what authority did Mohammad, or I should say the person who wrote for him, have to edit the Torah and NT, thereby changing some of its meaning?
It is true, you did. And it wasn't as popular as the opposite one. I have been around here long enough to expect that though. More haters than lovers. Unfortunate, but not surprising in the least bit. Considering the websites, and books that the haters use to try and speak badly against Islam.
Allah is not much of a personal god, at least from my observation. So I don't think they really view it a personal matter. Basically you are expected to learn the Quran from like age 2 and then be a good Muslim in your family or be shunned.....or worse. Of course, I will defer to OJleb to correct me if I'm wrong.
We don't say Muhammad (pbuh) or any Muslims editted the Holy Scriptures of Judaism and Christianity. We believe that is was a group of the followers of therse faiths who did it. The elite, if you will.
Because no matter how it is interpreted, Islam is the submission to Allah SWT, the one God, and a Muslim is one who submits to Allah SWT.
I think I misunderstood the tone of this post, which is my reply was a bit defensive. Just wanted to point that out.
I will give you two examples. In the OT we are told in the Torah that Isaac was taken to the mountain to be sacrificed by Abraham, but in the Quran we are told it was Ishmael. Also, we are told in the NT that Jesus died on the cross, but Islam would have us to believe that God placed domeone else on the cross to die in his stead. So you believe that the Torah and NT have been editted by the "elites". From what evidence other than belief do you derive this conclusion?
IMO, the biggest problem with all religions is they want to convert everyone to their(only right) religion. And how some religions go about that task is dangerous or distastful. if all religions would stop the my way or no way mentality, then they could be more tolerated. Islam is right now at the front of many as being damaging to humans who won't convert. I know it is a radical minority but many don't see it that way.
So what does such submission require? I'll give it a shot. 1. Try to live a "good" life. 2. Pray 5 times facing Mecca every day. 3. Try to make it to Mecca and walk around that black box. 4. Try to include Islam in every facet of your existence. What am I missing?
Very true. In fact, this thread was probably created to help such recruitment efforts. From my vantage point, there are two types of people who are infuential. There are those who have something visibly to offer and you want it, and there are those who try and manipulate you into seeing things their way, whether it be through fear or laws or brainwashing etc. From a Christian perspective, the example has been set by Christ.
Allah SWT is a God for everybody. Most parents will try to get their children reading the Quran early in their childhood. 2 is a bit young. I started when I was 6, in an Islamic school. Then I moved to public schooling, and have begun studying Islam at a later age. I find it is better in your teen years because you are more mature and smarter. Now, not all families are the same. That is just my personal experience. Some families unfortuntely do commit "honour" killings, however this should not be blamed on Islam, but on the ones commiting such acts.
From a Muslims perspective,these two points are what are considered some of the corruption of the OT. Since we believe the Quran is true word of God, nothing can contradict it. Now, what I mean by true word is that it is literally the words of God spoken to Muhammad (pbuh) by the angel Gabriel.
Yes montra, the Five Pillars of Islam. 1. Shahada, believing there is no God but God, and Muhammad is his final messenger. 2. Praying to God 5 times a day. 3. Giving charity, and Zakat (atleast 2.5% of your wealth) for the poor. 4. Fasting during the month of Ramadan. 5. Performing the Hajj atleast once in your life, if you can.
Islam is not a religion you can force upon people. Now, literally like any belief system -not just religion - it can by forced, yes. But spiritually, no, it cannot. One is not a Muslim in the eyes of Allah unless it comes from the heart. I would not make a thread about peoples negative views of Islam in an attempt to convert people. There are a good number of non-Muslims who defend Islam on this forum. Ask them how many times I have suggested they convert to Islam. Or anybody, for that matter. I don't force people to post or read these posts, or agree with me. I made this thread as a way to explain the misconceptions about Islam that are popular today. I never put down or insult other religions or Holy Scriptures. Intentionally. I cannot control what some peeople find offensive.
