Pray tell where is the compromise on the part of those proposing the restrictions? Compromise means both sides giving up something, and neither participant being happy with what they receive.
Because they want us to give up part of our rights, they have noting they can offer in return - thus, it is impossible for a comprise to be struck.
Like I said, google "".223 effectiveness in drywall". You will get all kinds of links, including one to the FBI results! If you are unable to use google or a similar seach engine, let me know. Perhaps I can help you learn how.
I don't want to weed through stuff that you've already weeded through. You quoted it, please show the source of your quotes. It's just good forum manners. If I quote anything, I link the source of the quotes.
The following would appear to demonstrate such. http://how-i-did-it.org/drywall/results.html If the results are accurate, the rifle ammunition was torn to shreds from penetrating the drywall sheets, while the handgun ammunition was unfazed.
Same thing happen with water. Rifle velocities are much higher and drag increases with the square of speed. The lighter jackets cannot take the stress.
Thank you, that's awesome. Shows me that probably the AR in .223 with either the 55-grain pointed soft points or the 64-grain power points is the best defense option, in terms of not overpenetrating walls. Now, when I can get the wife to agree, I'll try to get the shortest legal (not AOW) .223 AR for my next home defense gun.
Just build an AR pistol. For inside-the-home ranges it should be optimal. Mine is in .300 Blackout using 110 grain VMAX bullets.
I was wanting to build one of those for use outside the home too, with a laser, it would actually be most versatile in many varied Defensive encouters.
I want the stock, and legalities with pistols are more complex (in things like car-carry). I find AR pistols to be abominations. I don't want the .300 blackout, I think it would be no different than most pistols and shoot through walls. The .223 seems to have the best terminal ballistics in terms of not penetrating dry-wall. http://terminaleffect.com/2015/04/300-blackout-drywall-testing-what-happens-if-you-miss/
It would have been nice for them to include the 110 VMAX or similar varmint round. I haven't found much else on the web for .300 VMAX penetration.
Contrary to your assumption, I am *NOT* your research assistant. I gave you the words to search on. I am not going to waste my time on the fact that you don't want to educate yourself.
Per the forum rules. if you quote someone else's work, onus ison you to provide the cite. 15. LINKS, ADVERTISING, IMPROPER QUOTING, AND COPYRIGHT VIOLATIONS No commercial advertising is permitted anywhere on the forum - links in posts must be relevant to the discussion, and must not be intended simply to direct members to another website. Quotes, links, and images should be used to support a member's opinion, not to replace it - all posts containing them should also contain the poster's own comments as to their relevance. All quotes from other sources must be given appropriate credit, preferably with a link to the original article -
I gave you the link to use. It's google.com. And I gave you the search terms to use. It really isn't my fault if a user of the forum can't type google.com into their browser and then can't type in a few words. When I do that I get 26,000 results. Should I list out *all* of the links? I just love how people post opinions that have not one iota of truth to them and then whine when they are quoted FBI research that disproves their opinion. And then are unwilling to exert the least amount of effort to do some actual research on the subject. go here: http://how-i-did-it.org/drywall/results.html go here: http://www.gunsandammo.com/ammo/long-guns-short-yardage-is-223-the-best-home-defense-caliber/ go here: http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15 go here: http://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-12-insulated-walls/ go here: http://www.mlefiaa.org/files/ERPR/Ammunition_20for_20the_20Patrol_20Carbine.pdf go here: http://www.alloutdoor.com/2015/02/24/home-defense-case-low-penetration-rounds/ go here: http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=26 go here: http://www.outdoorhub.com/stories/2...ate-home-defense-part-one-penetration-issues/ Are these enough to satisfy? They were easy to obtain using google and the search words I provided. My guess is that none of the anti-gun people on the forum will bother to read even one of them! They will just remain in their bubble of willful ignorance.
In many 'fit for purpose' studies on the .223, the 55gr load is often assumed. Not all .223 loads are equal and barrel length and rifling twist also play a significant role. I would suggest if this topic is of interest, or one exploring what the range of options for home or any SD or hunting use category, then perhaps initiate a separate thread on that topic. There are a number of people posting on this site with expertise and experience that can provide insight.
It doesn't seem that way now. Besides, time and time again the gun controllers proved that if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile.
You and I both know you know this does not satisfy the requirement for a citation. I'm sure a moderator will be in touch.
Upside222, First, I'm not an anti-gun person. Second, if you can spend the time to quote something verbatim you should link them--it's just basic forum courtesy. Third, the problem with your google search idea is that you can do the same google search two days in a row and get different results each day (or even each hour). I was asking you because I wanted to find the exact websites you used, so I could read further. Ironically, I agreed with what you posted--my previous readings indicated that .223 was a good house to house choice because of reasons similar to what you posted.
