Why don't pro-abortion feminists join the Libertarian Party?

If women want to defend their right to get an abortion so much, why don't they join the Libertarian Party?
Is it because they want to take rights away from others, but hypocritically demand certain rights themselves?

 

What are you talking about here? Most pro-choicers are part of the Democratic party, not the Republican party. So they already align themselves with a party that believes people should be free to do what they want with their own bodies and lives.

I myself am part of the Libertarian party however.

 

Hahahahahahahahah

Choices? You mean like what type of health insurance coverage they are willing to buy?
Whether they want to have "low-flow" toilets that often have to be flushed several times to get the brown feces down?
Whether to be able to carry a handgun in their purse for self defense if they are visiting a bad neighbourhood at night?
Who a small business owner is allowed to hire? What type of cars a factory is allowed to produce? (when it has nothing to do with safety)
What type of light bulbs they want to use in their own homes?

 

ive already proved this on my other thread. The abortionists arent really for "womans rights". they just want to have the right to kill

http://www.politicalforum.com/abortion/279308-question-pro-choice-people.html

 

How do pro-choicers take rights away from "others"?

 

All freedom is taking away "rights" of other people. Your logic is based upon false grounds.

 

There's also the little matter that a lot of people who now call themselves "libertarians" are actually authoritarian Republican Christianists who want to pretend to be political independents. There was a time when you could count on libertarians being into freedom, but now they're just as likely to be Republican clones. And that makes women and all liberty-loving people suspicious of the libertarians.

 

1. scientifically all life begins at conception... so they would be considered a big "other"

even if you are racist enough to tell yourself theyre not people

2. People who mourn the loss of a child.

Here's a perfect example. My good friend's older brother was going out with this girl for 4 years. she was in college and he was working. she got pregnant. they both planned to have the child. my friends' brother was extremely happy, they even got engaged shortly after they found out that she was pregnant. He was ready to be a dad, and excited.

then guess what? she just took off. canceled the engagement, got an abortion, and left my friends brother with nothing. where is his justice? how come it is okay for someone to take his kid out of this world? and because of this he turned to serious drugs. in fact right now he is in missouri for rehab.... the kid is a mess. does he get any say?

 

Ah, so if I'm dreaming of my future wife and the beatiful family we'll have, the particular woman I've chosen has no say in the matter. She's obligated to breed with me and stay with me forever, whether she wishes to or not. Otherwise, I'll be mourning the loss of my future children, and we can't be having that. Some people might tell me to suck it up, that life isn't fair and I don't always get what I want, and that my hurt feelings don't justify controlling the lives of others, but such liberty-loving pro-choicers are clearly just a bunch of socialists or something.

 

no

but if she aborts YOUR child without your consent or without even hearing your opinion then that person has all the rights in the world for justice.

 

Many scientists disagree with you.

They're not people and it has nothing to do with racism.

You can't mourn the loss of a child that never existed.

For whatever reason, she decided she didn't want a child with him. If it had been the kind of relationship he thought it was, he would have had some input, but no, he doesn't get to demand that she must endure 9 months of pregnancy and childbirth. What do you mean, "where is his justice?" He had no claim on her.

 

he doesnt get a say on weather or not his kid is born?

 

Nope, as he's not the pregnant one.

As to the fairness of that as it relates to child support and such things, that's a separate issue. I personally think that unmarried men should be able to opt out of paternity, though only during a small window of time after they get informed of the pregnancy.

 

actually, by your standards. women shouldnt have any voting rights. since the constitution was written by all men, and the war that gained our freedom in the first place was fought by all men, and wars that have continued to protect our freedom have again been fought by all men.

so if your gona go the unequal way. you better go full blown or none.

 

I have no idea how you came up with that, so I am unable to respond to it with anything more than "huh?".

 

men were burdened with fighting to free the country. Just like you say women are burdened with the pregnancy and birth of a child. So since men have no say over abortion since it's a womans body or whatever then shouldnt women have no say in voting because the right to vote was achieved by men in battle with the british. men fought the battle, and continue to fight the battle. so women shouldnt have a say then. by your standards

 

Given that liberty is not gestated inside the bodies of men, the comparison is absurd.

 

no, in fact its fought by them. they fight, bleed, are dismembered, and in many cases die. far worse than a pregnancy

 

That's nice. It's still a totally irrelevent red herring. Stick with the issue, which is that people control their own bodies.

 

I think you're a bit confused...

You've proven nothing.

But, I'll bite.

If these "abortionists" are not for "woman's rights", whose rights are they for?

 

First off, abortion does not take rights away from anyone, no matter how you spin it.

Secondly, being pro-choice does not mean you're a Libertarian, or a Democrat, or anything other than pro-choice. There are pro-choice Republicans. There are pro-life Democrats. It's one issue out of many, and it's one that affects people far less than many of the other political issues people face.

 

comments from a pro-choicer about abortion in another thread:

I don't understand how pro-choicers can use Libertarian arguments to support abortion, but still be Liberals who want to control everyone when it comes to everything else.

 

I don't understand how pro-"lifers" can use liberalism to stop abortion, but still be the same conservatives who want to preach about liberty.

Conservatism has always naturally embraced abortion rights. Just ask Mr. Conservative himself; conservatives are the friends of abortion rights. Unfortunately, by the 80s, the religious right had hijacked conservatism and brainwashed weaker conservatives into thinking the pro-"life" movement is interlinked with conservatism; it isn't.

The pro-"life" side is favored by a liberal religion like Christianity, demands government intervention in the private sector, state intrusion upon the personal lives of individuals, employs political correctness when discussing abortion and favors egalitarianism over merit. Today's GOP has a lot more in common with the Soviet Union than our founding fathers...who also happened to be pro-abortion.

 

Because the general dialogue that supports abortion is poised towards women's rights. As a result, the discussion is more focused about women's rights (group think aka liberalism) as opposed to individual rights (individualism aka conservatism.)

 

Because at its core, real Libertarianism is about protecting the most basic rights of all.

The Right to Life is the most Fundamental of all human rights, without it no other rights are even possible.